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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Friday, September 28, 2007

Bush-Aznar Transcript: The War Crime of the Century

I made two claims about the transcript published by El Pais of Bush's conversations with Spanish leader Jose Maria Aznar on 22 February, 2003, at Crawford, Texas.

The first is that the transcript shows that Bush intended to disregard a negative outcome in his quest for a UN Security Council resolution authorizing a war against Iraq. Bush wanted such a resolution. He expressed a willingness to use threats and economic coercion to secure it. But he makes it perfectly clear that he will not wait for the UNSC to act beyond mid-March. He also explicitly says that if any of the permanent members of the UNSC uses its veto, "we will go." That is, failure to secure the resolution would trigger the war.

Uh, that is the opposite of the way it is supposed to work. If you can't get a UNSC resolution, and you haven't been attacked by the state against whom you want to go to war, then you are supposed to stand down.

Both because he set a deadline beyond which his "patience" would not stretch (the poor thing had already waited four months; I mean, is he a toddler that he lacks elementary patience?), and because he specified a UNSC veto as a signal for his launching of the war, Bush made it very clear that he was willing to trash the charter of the United Nations and to take the world back to the 1930s,to an era of mass politics when powerful states launched wars of choice at will on the basis of fevered rhetoric and fits of pique.

The second claim that I made was that Bush was aware of, and rejected, an offer by Saddam Hussein to flee Iraq, probably for Saudi Arabia, presuming he could take out with him a billion dollars and some documents on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. Both provisions were intended by Saddam to protect him from later retaliation. The money would buy him protection from extradition, and the documents presumably showed that the Reagan and Bush senior administrations had secretly authorized his chemical and biological weapons programs. With these documents in his possession, it was unlikely that Bush would come after him, since he could ruin the reputation of the Bush family if he did. The destruction of these documents was presumably Bush's goal when he had Rumsfeld order US military personnel not to interfere with the looting and burning of government offices after the fall of Saddam. The looting, which set off the guerrilla war, also functioned as a vast shredding party, destroying incriminating evidence about the complicity of the Bushes and Rumsfeld in Iraq's war crimes.

The claims by some pundits that Saddam's reported desire to take documents on his WMD programs out of the country proves he had such programs in 2003 or that he wanted to somehow retain specialized knowledge involved in them, are silly. Saddam had destroyed his chemical, nuclear and biological programs and stockpiles, which we know from the most extensive postwar inspections in the history of mammal life. Almost certainly, he wanted to keep with him the documents that showed precisely that-- that he was in fact in compliance with UN resolutions (which he was) and so could not on those grounds be subject to extraordinary rendition and delivered to the Hague. Also, as I say, he may well have wanted to keep with him documents with which to blackmail the Bush family, which in the 1980s had been involved in winking at and enabling his WMD capabilities.

(The objections of some observers that Saddam could have avoided the war by just admitting he had destroyed his WMD and providing the documentation ignore what we have since found out-- that Saddam was afraid that if the world knew he had no chemical weapons left, the Shiites, Kurds and Iranians would finish him off in no time. He could not hope to stay in power if he came clean on this matter, but once he left power he knew that his actions of the 1980s could get him convicted at the Hague and so he needed to keep with him documentation on his Reagan/ Bush partners in crime as a hedge.)

Aznar asked Bush if he would grant Saddam these guarantees, and Bush roared back that he would not. (That is the answer to those who want to know where in the text Bush declines Saddam's offer to flee. Nobody in his right mind would flee without guarantees; by declining them, Bush scotched the deal.)

By refusing to allow Saddam to flee with guarantees, Bush ensured that a land war would have to be fought. This is one of the greatest crimes any US president ever committed, and it is all the more contemptible for being rooted in mere pride and petulance.

Note that even General Pervez Musharraf allowed Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to go to Saudi Arabia with similar guarantees, even though Sharif was alleged to have attempted to cause Musharraf's death. A tinpot Pakistani general had more devotion to the good of his country, and more good sense, than did George W. Bush.

The passage in which Bush agrees with Aznar that it would be better if Baghdad fell without a fight refers to the possibility that the Iraqi officer corps would assassinate Saddam and decline to put up a fight. Bush would very much have liked such a fantasy to come true.

But he did not need to fantasize. He had a real offer in the hand, of Saddam's flight. He rejected it. By rejecting it, he will have killed at least a million persons and became one of the more monstrous figures in recent world history.

I have done a translation of the transcript, with some dictionary work. I would be glad of any corrections, but I think it is good enough for government work. No one can read it without recognizing that Bush was champing at the bit to go to war; that he only wanted the UNSC as a fig leaf and was determined to ignore it if it did not authorize the war; and that he had a deal on the table from Saddam but absolutely refused to pursue it, preferring instead either a sanguinary conflict or his adolescent fantasy of Baghdad falling without a shot.

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Transcript of Bush-Aznar Consultation in Crawford, February 22, 2003

President Bush. We are in favor of getting a second resolution in the Security Council and would want to do it quickly. We would want to announce it Monday or Tuesday [24 or 25 of February of 2003].

President Aznar: Better Tuesday, after the meeting of the Council of General Affairs of the European Union. It is important to maintain the momentum gained by the resolution at the summit of the European Union [in Brussels, Monday 17 of February]. We would prefer to wait until Tuesday.

Bush. It could be in the evening Monday, considering the time difference. In any case, the next week. We will see that the resolution is written so that it does not contain obligatory steps [for Iraq], that it does not mention the use of force, and that it states that Saddam Hussein has been unable to fulfill his obligations. That type of resolution can be voted for by many people. It would be something similar to the one passed regarding Kosovo [the 10th of June of 1999].

Aznar: Would it be presented to the Security Council before, and independently of, a parallel declaration?

Condoleezza Rice. In fact there would not be parallel declaration. We are thinking about as simple a resolution as possible, without many details regarding [Iraq’s] obligations--such that Saddam Hussein could use them as stages and consequently could neglect to fulfill them. We are speaking with Blix [head of the inspectors of the UN] and others of his team to get ideas that can serve to introduce the resolution.

Bush. Saddam Hussein will not change and will continue playing games. The moment has come to be rid of him. That’s the way it is. As for me, from now on I will try to tone down the rhetoric as much as possible, while we seek approval of the resolution. If somebody uses a veto, we will go. [Russia, China and France have, along with the U.S.A. and the United Kingdom the right to a veto in the Security Council by virtue of being permanent members]

Saddam Hussein is not disarming. We have to take him right now. We have shown an incredible degree of patience so far. There are two weeks left. In two weeks we will be militarily ready. I believe that we will get the second resolution. In the Security Council we have the three African members [Cameroun, Angola and Guinea], the Chileans, and the Mexicans. I will speak with all of them, also with Putin, naturally. We will be in Baghdad at the end of March. There is a 15% possibility that Saddam Hussein will die or flee. But that possibility will not exist until we have demonstrated our resolve. The Egyptians are talking to Saddam Hussein. It seems that he has indicated that he is willing to go into exile if he can take a billion dollars with him and all the information that he wants on weapons of mass destruction. [Muammar] Gaddafi told Berlusconi that Saddam Hussein wants to go away. Mubarak tells us that in these circumstances it is entirely possible that he will be assassinated.

We would like to act with the mandate of the United Nations. If we act militarily we will do it with great precision, tightly focusing on our objectives. We will decimate the troops loyal to him, and the regular army quickly will recognize what is going on. We have sent a very clear message to Saddam’s generals: we will treat them like war criminals. We know that they have accumulated an enormous amount of dynamite to demolish bridges and other infrastructure and to blow up the oil wells. We foresee occupying those wells very quickly. Also, the Saudis will help us by putting on the market all the petroleum that is necessary. We are developing a package of very extensive humanitarian aid. We can win without destruction. We are already planning for a post-Saddam Iraq, and I believe that there are good bases for a better future. Iraq has a relatively good bureaucracy and a civil society. It can be organized as a federal system. Meanwhile, we are doing everything possible to take care of the political needs of our friends and allies.

Aznar: It is very important to have a resolution. It is not the same to act with it as without it. It would be very advisable to have a majority in the Security Council that supported that resolution. In fact, it is important to have it passed by a majority, even if someone exercises a veto. Let us consider that the text of the resolution would have among other things to state that Saddam Hussein has lost his opportunity.

Bush. Yes, by all means. It would be better to have a reference to “necessary means” [a reference to the type of UN resolution that authorizes the use of “all necessary means”].

Aznar: Saddam Hussein has not cooperated, has not been disarmed; we would have to summarize his breaches and to send a more detailed message. That would allow, for example, Mexico to move [a reference to a change in its negative position on the second resolution, the extent of which Aznar could have known about from the lips of president Vicente Fox on Friday, February 21, in Mexico City].

Bush. The resolution will be custom-made in such a way that it will help you. I don't care much about the content.

Aznar: We will send you some sample texts.

Bush. We do not have any text. Only a criterion: that Saddam Hussein disarm. We cannot allow Saddam Hussein to drag things out until the summer. After all, this last stage has already lasted four months, and this is more than enough time to disarm.

Aznar: Having a text would allow us to sponsor it and to be its coauthors, and to arrange for many others to sponsor it.

Bush. Perfect.

Aznar: The next Wednesday [(2)6 of February] I will meet with Chirac. The resolution will already have begun to circulate.

Bush. It seems to me all very good. Chirac knows the reality perfectly. Their intelligence services have explained it to him. The Arabs are transmitting a very clear message to Chirac: Saddam Hussein must go. The problem is that Chirac thinks he is Mister Arab, but in fact he is making their lives impossible. But I do not want to have any rivalry with Chirac. We have different points of view, but I would like that to be all. Give him my best regards. Really! The less rivalry he feels exists between us, the better it will be for everyone.

Aznar: How to combine the resolution with the report of the inspectors?

Condoleezza Rice. Actually there will not be a report on February 28, but the inspectors will present a report written on March 1. We don’t have high hopes for that report. As with the previous ones, it will be a mixed picture. I have the impression that Blix will now be more negative than he was before, with regard to the Iraqis’ intentions. After the appearance of the inspectors before the Council, we must anticipate a vote on the resolution one week later. The Iraqis, meanwhile, will try to explain that they are fulfilling their obligations. It isn’t true, and it won’t be sufficient, though they may announce the destruction of some missiles.

Bush. This is like Chinese water torture. We must put an end to it.

Aznar. I agree, but it would be good to have the maximum possible number of people. Have a little patience.

Bush: My patience is exhausted. I don’t intend to wait longer than the middle of March.

Aznar. I do not request that you have infinite patience. Simply that you do everything possible so that it all works out.

Bush: Countries like Mexico, Chile, Angola, and Cameroon must realize that what’s at stake is the security of the United States, and they should act with a sense of friendship toward us. [Chilean President Ricardo] Lagos should know that the Free Trade Accord with Chile is awaiting Senate confirmation and a negative attitude about this could put ratification in danger. Angola is receiving Millennium Account funds [to help alleviate poverty] and that could be jeopardized also if he’s not supportive. And Putin must know that his attitude is putting in danger the relations of Russia with the United States.

Aznar. Tony [Blair] would like to wait until the 14th of March.

Bush: I prefer the 10th. This is like a game of bad cop, good cop. I don’t mind being the bad cop, and Blair can be the good one.

Aznar. Is it certain that any possibility exists that Saddam Hussein will go into exile?

Bush: The possibility exists, including that he will be assassinated.

Aznar. Exile with a guarantee?

Bush: No guarantee. He is a thief, a terrorist, a war criminal. Compared with Saddam, Milosevic would be a Mother Teresa. When we go in, we are going to discover many more crimes and we will take him to the Court the International Justice. Saddam Hussein thinks that he has already escaped. He thinks that France and Germany have ceased fulfilling their responsibilities. He also thinks that the demonstrations of the last week [Saturday, February 15] will protect him. And he thinks that I very am weak. But the people around him know that the things are otherwise. They know that his future is in exile or a coffin. For that reason it is very important to maintain the pressure on him. Gaddafi tells us through back channels that that is the only thing that can finish him off. Saddam Hussein’s only strategy is to delay, to delay and to delay.

Aznar. In fact the biggest success would be to win the game without firing a single shot and entering Baghdad.

Bush: For me it would be the perfect solution. I do not want war. I know what wars are. I know the destruction and the death that they bring with them. I am the one who has to console the mothers and the widows of the dead. By all means, for us that would be the best solution. In addition, it would save $50 billion.

Aznar. We need you to help us with our public opinion.

Bush: We will do everything we can. Wednesday I am going to speak on the situation in the Middle East, proposing the new peace plan with which you are familiar, and on weapons of mass destruction, on the benefits of a free society, and I will locate the history of Iraq in a wider context. Perhaps it will serve you.

Aznar. What we are doing is a very deep change for Spain and the Spaniards. We are changing the policy that the country had followed for the past two hundred years.

Bush: A historical sense of responsibility guides me just as it does you. When within a few years History judges us, I do not want people to ask themselves why Bush, or Aznar, or Blair did not face their responsibilities. In the end, what people want is to enjoy freedom. Recently, in Romania they reminded me of the example of Ceausescu: it was enough for a woman to call him a liar, for the entire repressive edifice to come down. It is the uncontrollable power of freedom. I am convinced that I will get the resolution.

Aznar. All to the good.

Bush: I made the decision to go to the Security Council. In spite of the disagreements in my Administration, I said to my people that we had to work with our friends. It will be wonderful to get a second resolution.

Aznar. The only thing that worries me about you is your optimism.

Bush: I am optimistic because I believe that I am in the right. I am at peace with myself. It has been up to us to face a serious threat to the peace. It irritates me a great deal to consider the indifference of the Europeans to the sufferings that Saddam Hussein inflicts on Iraqis. Perhaps because he is brown-skinned, far away, and Muslim, many Europeans think that everything is all right in his regard. I will not forget what Solana once said to me: why do we Americans think that the Europeans are anti-Semitic and unable to confront their responsibilities? That defensive attitude is terrible. I have to acknowledge I have just great relations with Kofi Annan.

Aznar. He shares your ethical preoccupations.

Bush: The more the Europeans attack me, the stronger I am in the United States.

Aznar. We would like to make your strength compatible with the esteem of the Europeans.

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32 Comments:

At 2:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very, very grateful for your translation, Prof. Cole. BTW, SISMI agents have been sent to the Afghanistan's border with Iran to look into alledged smuggling. (Two of them were kidnapped and one mortally wounded in the British Special Forces rescue). They same outfit that produced the Dodgy Dossier!

 
At 3:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, now I know why Berlusconi didn't get an invite to the Azores...he doesn't speak a word of English, and he'd have to bring an interpreter. These leaders wished to plot against their respective people in English, which Aznar must speak rather well, since he taught at Georgetown after he lost the elections.

 
At 3:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "falling without a shot being fired" fantasy wasn't just Bush's or just Baghdad.

The British had a similar cunning plan for Basra. The generals there were supposed to switch side after leaflets were dropeed on the city. But nothing happened. A British officer (a brat with aristocratic accent) appeared on CNN angrily complaining that they have dropped the leaflets (c'mon guys.)

What followed was something I am sure Christiane Amanpour (CNN’s chief international correpondent) wouldn't want to be reminded of.

She broadcast a pure fabrication about an uprising in Basra. Still nothing. The day after she went further declaring that the supposed uprising has grown greatly. Still not a sausage.

After about a weak-long siege, the stupid Brits (who have their own Empire boys, just a little more shy then the Yanks) gave up and invaded the city.

 
At 4:37 AM, Blogger Juan L. Iglesias said...

Bush. The resolution will be custom-made in such a way that it will help you. The content gives me a little of the same [sense].

Aznar: We will send you some language.

Should read: Bush: The resoution... help you. I don't care much about the content.

Aznar: We will send you some sample texts.

 
At 4:50 AM, Blogger Juan L. Iglesias said...

@Anonymous 9:00am - Aznar speaks a level of English which not only makes him difficult to understand (as in Georgetown lectures) but I have serious doubts that he could really understand any single word of what Bush and Condie said without interpreters. Or in this case, maybe the ambassador Javier Ruperez (who allegedly wrote the transcription) acted as such.

As for the "I envision being with Chirac" I'd rather put it simply "I'm going to meet Chirac".

 
At 5:15 AM, Blogger Chuck Cliff said...

My goodness, Jauan, to paraphrase from "Dumb, Dumber", just when I would have thought that there was way to show deeper shadows of Codpiece inchorent ignorance and arrogance, you go and dig this up!

A fellow doesn't know whether to cry or puke.

A bit OT, we just lost two Danish troops in Helman province in Afghanistan to a Taliban ambush. The knee-jerk reaction of the political class is that we have to stay there because we "owe it to the Afghans" and "we need to be there for our own security".

 
At 7:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks, but we really need the original transcript in English to properly make sense of this. The Bush I read here is constructing complete sentences and using words like bureaucracy and infrastructure. The double translation to Spanish and back leaves him speaking like a grown-up!

 
At 8:03 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today the BooMan at boomantribune has come up with another theory: Bush is a liar. What else is new?

Bush lied to Aznar. He wanted to make Aznar think that Saddam's request to take WMD documents out of Iraq was a strong indication that he had such weapons or was actively developing them. Or possibly someone lied to Bush, who was too dense to realize he was being taken for a ride.

Without a Congress that is ready to set the record straight, we are left with the 'verdict of history', whatever that might mean, like the main protagonist tells us repeatedly. Smoke and mirrors everywhere.

 
At 9:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This story in El Pais, published in wash post, cannot now be accessed in El Pais. IN fact, I am unable to link to El Pais at all. I normally link through ABYZ News to read papers all over the world. When I type in El Pais my search engine, google, is shut down. This has happened ten or more times now.

 
At 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous,

Aznar didn't speak a single word of English until he left power. Actually, he has been teaching in Spanish at Georgetown, in small seminars. Further, you can go to YouTube to listen to his first speeches in English, in 2004 and 2005, and have a good laugh. His English, at the time, was awful.

I attended his lectures in G'town, and can assure you that neither Spaniards--like me--nor Americans managed to understand him when he spoke. He chatted with Bush & Blais through interpreters

 
At 10:54 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Chilling. Reminds me of the tape of Pres. Johnson and McNamara on the phone crafting their Gulf of Tonkin lies. It took 40 years from the time of that call until I learned of it. It has taken only 4 this time.

We have numbed ourselves on the opiate of self-interest. An interlocutor of Ray McGovern asked him the other day, don't you think a few GIs a week is a small price to pay for the oil we need? Witness Boehner's remarks.

Now, with the blatant theft of 2 elections, we've brought home the same fake-election regime change scam that we've pulled all around the globe.

But we've upped our response time by an order of magnitude. The president's own words convict him of war crimes even as he still holds office. And, thanks to Prof. Cole's Campbellian heroism, we have them.

KNOCK-KNOCK
(who's there???)
VICTIM!
("bictim?" bictim who?)
KNOW! VICTIM YOU!

(h/t to Joseph Mencia's poem, "Damn You, Letter V!" BTW, this works with any salvific figure in the effort to form a more perfect union between seeker and sought.)

KNOCK-KNOCK
(who's there???)
BUDDHA!
("boota?" boota who?)
KNOW! BUDDHA YOU!

 
At 11:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

> it would save $50 billion

We coulda saved $49 billion if shrub had let Saddam slink off to Paraguay. (current possibly savings would have been $999 billion, give or take a trillion)

> Countries like Mexico, Chile, Angola, and Cameroon must realize...

We coulda used these countries massive armies to help. I hope they joined the coalition of the strong armed.


> I know what wars are. I know the destruction and the death that they bring with them.

I never thought that playing Stratego gave one a real impression of war.

Not much WMD talk here. Wonder why?

 
At 11:30 AM, Blogger Fraud Guy said...

Bush also left off at least one "0" from his cost estimate--perhaps more.

 
At 11:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't see that the transcript substantiates much of anything you claim here. You claim Bush is acting like a toddler, impatient with the U.N. and the obfuscations of Saddam. You neglect to mention the 150k soldiers twiddling their thumbs while Saddam yanks Blix around for weeks. I guess "enough" is when Cole say it is so why include any pertinent facts, right?

And your fantasy about this ragtag document destruction device the Bushies were counting on to cover up their machinations is borderline demnetia. Do you actually believe this? That those with so much at stake would depend upon a mob to destroy selected crucial documents?

And where does Bush scoff at Saddam's supposed offer to abdicate? He says he wants him up at The Hague, but goes on to say he's playing "bad cop". Why should he concede his position on an event he feels is a long shot anyway?

Your translation is in line with others I've read, but somewhere in your mind the words twisted themselves into something unrecognizable.

spongeworthy

 
At 12:31 PM, Blogger cognitorex said...

Plutonium Parachutes for Bush and Cheney
.
Thinking about money, ethics, Bush and the GOP, maybe we're all missing an obvious point. Instead of instituting impeachment proceedings against our two top ranking incompetents why not offer them plutonium parachutes ( uhm, not the Russian kind).
It is no longer the American way for CEOs to quit for for reasons of moral, financial or leadership ineptitude.
In keeping with this, offer Bush and Cheney a billion dollars each to step down (and be prepared to go to two bil to close the deal).
This is oligarchic morality.
Hold your nose. It's cheap at ten times the price!!
(Above is Reprint from April '07)

If Saddam thought $1Bill sufficient then I suppose one would have to go $5Bill for Bush and Cheney,, surely we wouldn't want to engage in insensitive effrontery to their self images.)
If they walk like despots and quack like despots then there's no ducking ........

 
At 12:51 PM, Blogger karlof1 said...

Great insight into the psychotic minds of Bush and Rice; they both exhibit great fear of the rightful UNSC rejection of their project. This combined with what we know of the immediate drive to invade Iraq as soon as Bush was selected provides proof beyond any shadow of doubt that the Iraqi Holocaust was wholely premeditated and executed without regard for law or human rights. To paraphrase Bush, Bush now makes Hussein and Milosivic look like Mother Teresa by comparison.

That the Senate and House just voted to provide further funding and lifted the debt ceiling by $850 Billion provides further proof of our constitutional crisis and that the Death Party is firmly in control.

 
At 2:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prof. Cole, this is very chilling. I read yesterday a piece on Alternet.org about the connections behind Bush. It all seems to fall in place ...

Thank you for your informed insight into these issues.

 
At 8:43 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

In the current issue of The American Conservative historian Paul Schroeder of the University of Illinois reminds us of why the Aznar tapes are so important historically speaking.

In Open Fire Schroeder sets the critical historical context of the decision to go to war thus


Much of this (debate over the decision to go to war)—the priority the U.S. gave Iraq over Afghanistan and al-Qaeda and the choice of preventive war—is universally acknowledged. Astonishingly, however, the equally important and undeniable fact that its policy in 2002-03 deliberately rejected international methods for fire prevention in Iraq has still not been squarely faced, much less accepted. This gets ignored or swept aside by disputes over other questions, arguably interesting and important but not central—Saddam Hussein’s nature and intentions, Iraq’s capabilities, the existence or not of WMD, the motives and aims of America’s leaders, the quality and use of American intelligence, the genuine or deceptive character of arguments for military action, and so on.

This shell game, whether it represents a deliberate tactic or not, has led Americans to misunderstand the struggle at the UN that culminated in America’s failure to gain a Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq and its decision to proceed without one. The American public has been led to believe that the sole, decisive issue was whether Iraq possessed WMD or active programs to develop them. If so, military action would have automatically been justified and needed. This remains the administration’s defense of the decision for preventive war: along with other countries and on the basis of reasonable intelligence, it genuinely considered Saddam’s weapons a threat to which the only effective response was force.

 
At 9:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chinese water torture? Really!

Reminds me that whenever people anywhere in the world hear about water torture these days, it's not the Chinese who spring to mind.

(Just another little war crime in the long list.)

 
At 9:55 PM, Blogger SanderO said...

That is not the language of George Bush. He is incapable of putting a sentence of more than 5 words together. Whatever this transcript purports to show... it is no way verbatim... it is revisionist at the very least.

 
At 12:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The kind of imprecise, crafty language that the Bush administration found so useful in framing their case for war against Iraq has been a big hit in Congress, as we can see in the language of the Kyl-Lieberman amendment concerning Iran. I hope no one tries to hide behind the wording of that slick abomination.

 
At 1:28 AM, Blogger Nur-al-Cubicle said...

Indeed, Bush is not the tongue-tied linquistic stumble bum he makes himself out to be.

I would point out that Spanish Prime Minister Zapatero is officially Persona non Grata in this country. And he is a NATO member and his troops are dying in Afghanistan for us. Bush has more respect for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

 
At 2:21 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As several other people noted, it is impossible to imagine that Bush speaks in this rather fluent and, importantly, cohesive and intelligent manner. The guy in the transcript is not dumb at all, whatever his ethics may be. If this is indeed George W. Bush, prof Cole inadvertently raised his intellectual reputation.

 
At 6:45 AM, Blogger PRS said...

Only seven years into the century, the crime of the century, even the "war crime" of the century (bin Laden did declare war on the U.S.) remains 9/11. That was an act of pure evil, mass murder, targeting as many people of any kind in a successful attempt to start a world war. Even Iraq falls into the horrendous list of aftereffects of 9/11. Al Qaeda has purposely caused the death and destruction of millions of Muslims and Non-Muslims both, and actually, much more Muslims than Non-Muslims. Bush had and has delusions and fantasies, but they pale in comparison to the delusions and fantasies of the radical terrorists. There's no indication that Bush ever expected the actual awful outcome of his ambitions. As you say, he might have had fantasies of success without a shot being fired. Bin Laden's fantasy is a widespread nuclear European and American holocaust and all out war, with any of the millions of hapless Sunni Muslims caught in the crossfires getting the A.Q. merit badge of martyrdom--lucky them. Everyone else in the world, by default, deserves to die. Bin Laden is Death walking the Earth. He gets the crime of the century trophy so far.

Yeah, when you start talking about planned chaos in order to get some documents destroyed you enter the realm of conspiracy kookiness--signs of an overactive mind. With no disrespect intended, you might want to get a couple of good night's sleep this weekend to slow that mind down, Professor. The idea doesn't make any sense anyway. It would be just as likely that said documents would get exposed that way, especially considering the incredible value such documents would have in the free market, or maybe even better, the black market, considering the extortion possibilities, or the beyond-rich collector who'd want to put them in the vault next to the Van Gogh.

 
At 8:19 AM, Blogger Lopakhin said...

J Cole: Almost certainly, he wanted to keep with him the documents that showed precisely that-- that he was in fact in compliance with UN resolutions (which he was) and so could not on those grounds be subject to extraordinary rendition and delivered to the Hague.

Erm, I guess I don't see why if he had such documents, he didn't just give them to the weapons inspectors? Could have removed the doubts from their minds.

 
At 6:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As several other people noted, it is impossible to imagine that Bush speaks in this rather fluent and, importantly, cohesive and intelligent manner. The guy in the transcript is not dumb at all, whatever his ethics may be. If this is indeed George W. Bush, prof Cole inadvertently raised his intellectual reputation.

Remember that it's a transcript, possibly not word for word, translated from English to Spanish and back again.

The European Tribune blog has another translation, side by side with the Spanish text published in El Pais.

 
At 7:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the "wmd information" Saddam wanted to take with him were the documents proving he didn't have wmds which if he had given to Hans Blix would have enabled Blix to report to UN that Iraq had complied with UNSC Resolution 1441?
Wow, that is some analysis.

 
At 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As biographer interviews with George W. Bush show, he is capable of holding forth at length and in some detail on subjects that interest him (not nearly enough do). He was very interested in and very enthusiastic about regime change in Iraq by military force, and he brainstormed with similar minds to come up with a grand strategy and a sales pitch. That he could put his words together as he did should come as no surprise. That a US president could be audacious enough to plan, sell, and execute what Bush did should be an appalling surprise.

The invasion and occupation of Iraq can't be blamed on Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. President George Bush did not plan or protect the attacks of 9/11, but after his post-attack shock and panic wore off, he found himself glad the attacks had been carried out. Opportunities started coming to mind, and hawks Bush respected were forthcoming with advice and exhortation. Bush and his mentors were in accord that the opportunity to force regime change in Iraq was #1, and that attending to it was far more important than decimating al-Qaeda and weakening elements that supported al-Qaeda.

The statements of President Bush and Condoleezza Rice to President Aznar are fraught with treachery and intentions to continue to act in bad faith. Misleading Congress and the people was to be followed by misleading the UN. Violations of the presidential oath of office by the statements and conduct of President George W. Bush are obvious and now further documented. It's sad that, whenever there's a slam dunk, most in Congress avert their gaze.

 
At 11:29 PM, Blogger Dancewater said...

"The objections of some observers that Saddam could have avoided the war by just admitting he had destroyed his WMD and providing the documentation ignore what we have since found out-- that Saddam was afraid that if the world knew he had no chemical weapons left, the Shiites, Kurds and Iranians would finish him off in no time. He could not hope to stay in power if he came clean on this matter,"

Saddam went on Channel 4 TV in Britain in Feb 2003 and declared he had no WMDs at all, and no connections to bin Laden. So he did "come clean" on this matter in a public sense - as to why he didn't offer up paper proof, I don't know, but I suspect that proof did not exist.

 
At 7:45 AM, Blogger David Seaton's Newslinks said...

Juan,
I think you are getting right to the heart of the question: Bush is a war criminal.
He is one by a Nuremberg definition.

This is really not a question of impeachment, Impeachment is about America's domestic affairs, what Bush has done in Iraq is a question for the Hague Tribunal.

As impossible as it sounds, probably sending him to the Hague is the only thing that would restore America's reputation , which is essential for making global governance possible, something which in turn is essential for international trade.

In the mean time, the United States is going to have to rebuild its democratic institutions practically from DNA samples, like some political Jurassic park.

All the best
Un abrazo
David

 
At 6:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

once a criminal lunatic, always a criminal lunatic
for all those good ole americanos remember the world goes around in circles...just hope, just pray, today's victims have some mercy when they retake the drivers seat

 
At 11:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

AFTER KILMER

I hope that I may one day see
Them hanging from the gallows tree
Who plotted foreign wars from home--
It would be lovelier than a poem.

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