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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Wednesday, June 24, 2009

Washington and the Iran Protests:
Would they be Allowed in the US?

President Barack Obama had this to say about the Iran crisis on Tuesday:

' First, I'd like to say a few words about the situation in Iran. The United States and the international community have been appalled and outraged by the threats, the beatings and imprisonments of the last few days.

I strongly condemn these unjust actions, and I join with the American people in mourning each and every innocent life that is lost.

I've made it clear that the United States respects the sovereignty of the Islamic Republic of Iran and is not interfering with Iran's affairs.

But we must also bear witness to the courage and the dignity of the Iranian people and to a remarkable opening within Iranian society. And we deplore the violence against innocent civilians anywhere that it takes place.

The Iranian people are trying to have a debate about their future. Some in Iran -- some in the Iranian government, in particular, are trying to avoid that debate by accusing the United States and others in the West of instigating protests over the elections.

These accusations are patently false. They're an obvious attempt to distract people from what is truly taking place within Iran's borders.

This tired strategy of using old tensions to scapegoat other countries won't work anymore in Iran. This is not about the United States or the West; this is about the people of Iran and the future that they -- and only they -- will choose.

The Iranian people can speak for themselves. That's precisely what's happened in the last few days. In 2009, no iron fist is strong enough to shut off the world from bearing witness to peaceful protests of justice. Despite the Iranian government's efforts to expel journalists and isolate itself, powerful images and poignant words have made their way to us through cell phones and computers. And so we've watched what the Iranian people are doing.

This is what we've witnessed. We've seen the timeless dignity of tens of thousands of Iranians marching in silence. We've seen people of all ages risk everything to insist that their votes are counted and that their voices are heard.

Above all, we've seen courageous women stand up to the brutality and threats, and we've experienced the searing image of a woman bleeding to death on the streets.

While this loss is raw and extraordinarily painful, we also know this: those who stand up for justice are always on the right side of history.

As I said in Cairo, suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. The Iranian people have a universal right to assembly and free speech.

If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect those rights and heed the will of its own people. It must govern through consent and not coercion.

That's what Iran's own people are calling for, and the Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government. "


The thrust of these comments is to deplore the Iranian state's interference in the people's right of peaceable assembly and nonviolent protest, a right guaranteed in the constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

It is a good statement, insofar as it is phrased in terms that recognize an ongoing debate inside Iran and rejects US interference in Iranian domestic affairs.

But there are dangers here. Obama will likely be as helpless before a crackdown by the Iranian regime as Eisenhower was re: Hungary in 1956, Johnson was re: Prague in 1968, and Bush senior was re: Tiananmen Square in 1989. George W. Bush, it should be remembered, did nothing about Tehran's crackdown on student protesters in 2003 or about the crackdown on reformist candidates, which excluded them from running in the 2004 Iranian parliamentary elections, or about the probably fraudulent election of Ahmadinejad in 2005. It is hard to see what he could have done, contrary to what his erstwhile supporters in Congress now seem to imply. As an oil state, the Iranian regime does not need the rest of the world and is not easy to pressure. So Obama needs to be careful about raising expectations of any sort of practical intervention by the US, which could not possibly succeed. (Despite the US media's determined ignoring the the Afghanistan War, it is rather a limiting factor on US options with regard to Iran.) Moreover, if the regime succeeds in quelling the protests, however odious it is, it will still be a chess piece on the board of international diplomacy and the US will have to deal with it just as it deals with post-Tiananmen China.

And, the more Obama speaks on the subject, even in these terms, the more he risks associating the Mousavi supporters with a CIA plot. Iranian media are already parading arrested protesters who are 'confessing' that 'Western media' led them astray. In nationalist and wounded Iran, if someone is successfully tagged as an agent of foreign interests, it is the political kiss of death.

The fact is that despite the bluster of the American Right that Something Must be Done, the United States is not a neutral or benevolent player in Iran. Washington overthrew the elected government of Iran in 1953 over oil nationalization, and installed the megalomaniac and oppressive Mohammad Reza Pahlevi, who gradually so alienated all social classes in Iran that he was overthrown in a popular revolution in 1978-1979. The shah had a national system of domestic surveillance and tossed people in jail for the slightest dissidence, and was supported to the hilt by the United States government. So past American intervention has not been on the side of let us say human rights.

More recently, the US backed the creepy and cult-like Mojahedin-e Khalq (People's Holy Warriors or MEK), which originated in a mixture of communist Stalinism and fundamentalist Islam. The MEK is a terrorist organization and has blown things up inside Iran, so the Pentagon's ties with them are wrong in so many ways. The MEK, by the way, has a very substantial lobby in Washington DC and has some congressmen in its back pocket, and is supported by the less savory elements of the Israel lobbies such as Daniel Pipes and Patrick Clawson. I am not saying they should be investigated for material support of terrorism, since I am appalled by the unconstitutional breadth of that current DOJ tactic, but I am signalling that the US imperialist Right has been up to very sinister things in Iran for decades. A person who worked in the Pentagon once alleged to me that then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was privately pushing for using tactical nuclear weapons against Iran. And Dick Cheney is so attached to launching war on Iran that he characterized attempts to deflect such plans as a "conspiracy." Given what the US did to Fallujah, it strikes me as unlikely that a military invasion of Iran would be good for that country's civic life. And there are rather disadvantages to being nuked, even by the kindliest of WASP gentlemen of Mr. Rumsfeld's ilk.

Moreover, very unfortunately, US politicians are no longer in a position to lecture other countries about their human rights. The kind of unlicensed, city-wide demonstrations being held in Tehran last week would not be allowed to be held in the United States. Senator John McCain led the charge against Obama for not having sufficiently intervened in Iran. At the Republican National Committee convention in St. Paul, 250 protesters were arrested shortly before John McCain took the podium. Most were innocent activists and even journalists. Amy Goodman and her staff were assaulted. In New York in 2004, 'protest zones' were assigned, and 1800 protesters were arrested, who have now been awarded civil damages by the courts. Spontaneous, city-wide demonstrations outside designated 'protest zones' would be illegal in New York City, apparently. In fact, the Republican National Committee has undertaken to pay for the cost of any lawsuits by wronged protesters, which many observers fear will make the police more aggressive, since they will know that their municipal authorities will not have to pay for civil damages.

The number of demonstrators arrested in Tehran on Saturday is estimated at 550 or so, which is less than those arrested by the NYPD for protesting Bush policies in 2004.

I applaud the Iranian public's protests against a clearly fraudulent election, and deplore the jackboot tactics that the regime is using to quell them. But it is important to remember that the US itself was moved by Bush and McCain toward a 'Homeland Security' national security state that is intolerant of public protest and throws the word 'terrorist' around about dissidents. Obama and the Democrats have not addressed this creeping desecration of the Bill of Rights, and until they do, the pronouncements of self-righteous US senators and congressmen on the travesty in Tehran will be nothing more that imperialist hypocrisy of the most abject sort.

American politicians should keep their hands off Iran and let the Iranians work this out. If the reformers have enough widespread public support, they will develop tactics that will change the situation. If they do not, then they will have to regroup and work toward future change. US covert operations and military interventions have caused enough bloodshed and chaos. If the US had left Mosaddegh alone in 1953, Iran might now be a flourishing democracy and no Green Movement would have been necessary.

End/ (Not Continued)

94 Comments:

At 4:33 AM, Anonymous jandersen said...

I have read that during the 1970s, the MEK killed U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians working on defense projects in Tehran and supported the takeover in 1979 of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.What you write here seems to contradict this.

 
At 4:35 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I was in Tehran last week. I tried to send you a mail to let you know that IC was censored even before the elections, but I suppose it has never arrived. Obviously there are some methods to get round the obstacle for more expert web readers. I agree completely with you: insisting to condemn the regime in this moment means to expose the opposition to the charge of being agents of foreign powers. The problem is what to do...

Claudio Gallo
Turin, Italy

 
At 5:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Non-interference? Surely you have read Khomenei's "Islamic Government," Khamenei's politicization of "tahwid," if not Mahdi-Yazdi's final jihadism? A mortal struggle was launched in 1979, anything but engagement is: surrender.

Ahmadinejad - an Azeri in denial - was as despised by that group as was Mousavi loved by his fellow ethnics. In fact, the president was unpopular outside of Teheran, except among the pampered bureaucrats, subsidized oppressors and Khamenei's college groups, which are less in number that Rafsanjani's Azad College chain holds in sway.

http://www.adapp.info/iran-election-amid-repression-dissent-and-unrest

It may be tempting to believe that Bush put US-Iran relations in disharmony, and that normalization should be tried, but that is useless.

Surely you would equate Khomeni's 1970 work, with Hitler's Mein Kampf?
http://ifile.it/hkgn3j5

Professor Cole: if you can't chose between democratic-revolution and islamic-tyranny, then you are an academic-on-leave.

Then there is the Khamenei-Ahmadinejad go-between: Hasan Abbasi:
http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/2006/03/the_other_other_bad_guy.html

http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=d1f06fc22e4b52b0b89b

 
At 5:42 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Very perceptive post. The idea that "Gandhian" tactics of nonviolent noncooperation" is somehow antiquated and inapplicable in a police state is a fallacy. Iranians are in fact preparing to swamp the bazaars today. Iranians are sophisticated intelligent people who will find a way and we should let it play out. What a relief to have a nonidiot and noncriminal at the white house!
N. Sitaram MD

 
At 5:59 AM, Blogger qunfuz said...

perhaps Obama would like to complain about the dictatorship in Egypt which has pre-emptively arrested hundreds of potential demonstartors in recent months. Ooops, forgot: Obama funds the Mubarak dictatorship and gives orientalist speeches in Cairo. Perhaps he'd like to complain about the unarmed or stone throwing demonstartors in Palestine who are routinely murdered by Israeli troops. Oops, I forgot about the US military, financial and political support for the Zionist state. OK, then. Perhaps Obama should just shut up.

 
At 6:07 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a more balanced commentary on Iran.In the mean no press on Israel's new housing project in Palestian land in spite of the objections of our President...

 
At 6:42 AM, Anonymous Victor Manfredi said...

Well said -- the current situation includes a lot of blowback from disastrous U.S. policies, not least the support for Saddam's war on Iran in the 80's, and if Iranians manage to recreate democracy now it will be no thanks to Washington.

 
At 7:08 AM, Anonymous kitt said...

Thanks for the historical, logical and realistic (real world) perspective, Juan. That is all hard to come by in this 'step up to the microphone, camera, blog and spout off ignorant tripe' era.

 
At 7:38 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

It would have been great if there had been, when OUR presidential election was stolen, in 2000, massive pro-democracy demonstrations here of the kind we are now witnessing in Iran. So in fact the ancient Persian civilization is currently giving us Americans a lesson in democracy.

 
At 7:59 AM, Anonymous Mordecai Specktor said...

>> At the Republican National Committee convention in St. Paul, 250 protesters were arrested shortly before John McCain took the podium. Most were innocent activists and even journalists. Amy Goodman and her staff were assaulted. <<

More than 800 people were arrested in the Twin Cities during the RNC, Sept 1-4, 2008. The 3,700-strong police force included hundreds of armor-clad riot police who fired projectiles -- tear gas, plastic bullets, flash-bang grenades, smoke bombs -- and used pepper spray on mainly non-violent demonstrators.

There is still a group ("RNC 8") facing state felony conspiracy charges as the alleged anarchist organizers of the protesters. More at: rnc8.org

 
At 8:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

With crisis comes opportunity.

This was an opportunity for Obama to change the US-Iran dynamic and it looks like he hasn't the imagination and a office too full of old thinking to grasp it.

 
At 9:08 AM, Blogger Karen M said...

I had the same reaction to Obama's words on Iran... I was remembering the conventions of last year, and the jackboot thuggery of law "enforcement."

And that, while in the UK, for example, elected officials and the government are afraid of their constituencies, here it is the other way around. We fear our government and, in particular, law enforcement. Tasers anyone?

 
At 10:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bless you, Professor Cole. Are you the only voice in the wilderness? Has history become a casualty of 24hr yakers?

 
At 11:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said.

 
At 11:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, Juan. I liked what you were writing in previous days, but you let your crazy out on this one. Basically, what you're saying is that some people involved in protests were arrested, designated zones were provided for protesters, and anyone whose constitutional rights to protest were demonstrably violated got compensated by the US government.

Give me a break. People are dying in Tehran for your "protest zones."

 
At 11:34 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great article Juan. I take some exception to America being the BAD guy (YOUR OPINION pointed out at length by you) but do agree that Iran would best be left alone to let the reformers gather strength to throw off the repressive government.

 
At 11:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anyone would be stopping peaceful protests, it'll be the thin-skinned fascist who is occupying the office of TOTUS. Mr. Author, who had the Black Panthers outside of polling stations, the Democrats or Republicans? What childish nitwit said: "I won."

Once again, another article from the Blame America First crowd. If only the Communist Mossadegh had his chance. The Democrats, especially Obama, never met a tyrant they couldn't negotiate with. Moral relativists like Obama and this author won't stick their neck out and say what is right. Reagan said, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." Mr. Obama squeeks about his Cairo speech. Thankfully, at the founding of this Great Country, France did not follow the advice of this author.

 
At 11:38 AM, Blogger Richard J. McKenzie said...

There is also the 1988 shooting down of an Iranian airliner, killing 60+ children and 200+ adults. This is an act that would be widely denounced as terrorism if it was US citizens that died.
Instead, the US Captain received a medal. The fact that his ship violated Iranian waters (an act of war) was hushed up and concealed.

Recently there was a bombing at a mosque near the Pakistan border, allegedly by extremists with US backing.

Last year a Presidential candidate sang about bombing Iran.

The US's own behavior insures that national security and paranoia against the West become main topics of Iranian political discourse.

 
At 11:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are a few glaring omissions from this article.

1.)Do you think that the Islamic Regime in Iran will pay large sums of money to the protesters for "civil damages" incurred?

2.) How many protesters in New York were shot and killed on the street by NYPD snipers from rooftops while peacefully protesting? For that matter, how many New York protesters were killed whether protesting peacefully or not?

3.) What is the fate of the protesters in the U.S. compared to the fate of the protesters in Iran? With the exception of a few of the most violent protesters, New York protesters were released shortly after the protest without receiving any form of punishment. What do you think will happen to the protesters arrested in Iran?

You would have to be a complete idiot, or the author of this article, to believe that what has been going on in Iran is remotely similar to what police do in the U.S. to keep peaceful protests from becoming violent riots.

 
At 11:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really? You are going to compare our ability to protest in the U.S with that in Iran? Are you daft? I am fairly sure protestors were not shot at republican conventions. You can not honestly think that the rights to protest in the states are equal to that in Iran? You truly do a disservice to people with this blog.

Cheers

 
At 11:47 AM, Blogger R. Kevin Hill said...

Juan, the only problem with your remarks are the context and the tone. It is an absolutely crucial part of the regime now made illegitimate by virtue of electoral fraud to identify any tendency toward reform, any resistance to oppression, indeed any suffering of violence at their hands, as an American and British plot, as American and British propaganda. I emphatically applaud the idea that our government should be cautiously neutral, on general principles, and on the grounds that any expression of official sympathy here, however well-intentioned, contributes to de-legitimizing the reform and making its success less likely. But last I checked, you are an American citizen, a public figure and I see you here... commenting on Iran! And reminding us of the past historical facts (and yes, some of them recent, involving the previous administration) which are precisely the facts that the conservatives in Iran would wish emphasized. I know you too well to think that you are pleased to see innocent young women shot in the streets, electoral fraud perpetrated on a massive scale, etc. but insofar as your lesson today is precisely the one the regime would want the outside world to hear especially at this time, well, to quote you, yours "is a good statement, isofar as it is phrased in terms that recognize an ongoing debate inside Iran and rejects US interference in Iranian domestic affairs. But there are dangers here." And the danger is due to the fact that we are all involved at least as moral spectators, all the participants inside Iran obviously care intensely what the outside world sees, thinks and says, and what we say cannot help to have some effect one way or another. What you have said today helps Khamanei pursue a more activist and partisan approach to running the office of Supreme Leader, helps those who would legitimize a stolen election, and shifts the moral ground from "murder and oppression are bad" to "hypocrisy and meddlesomeness are worse." Well, they're not. And you and I are just as "meddlesome" as can be, by virtue of thinking, feeling and speaking about this at all.

 
At 11:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Our thought processes are the same!
Americans are currently seeing a mad dash to smash their 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 13th Amendments. I'll call Barry Soetoro a bald-faced liar. Freedom to assemble? Try to get a permit to hold an anti-govt protest. Want to buy a firearm? Not if you are on a no-fly list. The Scotus just said convicts don't have the right to contest DNA evidence. Mandatory volunteerism? More like slavery! Everything that is happening in Iran would be the blueprint for what would happen in the US

 
At 11:53 AM, Blogger John said...

So, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is a lot like the NYPD making arrests at the Republican Convention. As soon as the folks in Iran get lawyers assigned, and are tried before a neutral magistrate--maybe even awarded cash for wrongful arrest--I will believe your line of bovine scatological material. Give me a break.

 
At 11:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

USA should leave iran the hell alone.they are more democratic than most of your allies eg saudi, uae,egypt etc

 
At 11:59 AM, Anonymous JohnT said...

The Department of Defense defines protest as terrorism in a training course.

Somebody tipped the ACLU off, which has filed suit against the training course. See the ACLU petition at

http://www.aclu.org/images/general/asset_upload_file89_39820.pdf

 
At 11:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

USA should leave iran the hell alone.they are more democratic than most of your allies eg saudi, uae,egypt etc

 
At 12:03 PM, Anonymous JohnT said...

Ooops, sorry. ACLU did not file suit, just wrote a letter of protest asking DoD to correct its course.

 
At 12:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your article is right on point and I wonder why more people in the mainstream media don't address this very issue. If you watch CNN, you would think that they didn't have any other news to report.

 
At 12:08 PM, Anonymous Eric M. said...

Its about time someone said what most of the World is thinking!! Well Done.

 
At 12:10 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I apologize for posting this comment “out of stream”, but if you read further, you might understand the necessity for this faux pas.

In an earlier comment, someone posted:

“Seems like most of the regime's apologists have disappeared from your "comments" boards, Juan.”

I have no idea if this comment is referring to me, but I will vainly assume it was.

I have to completely agree with this poster, assuming, that by apologist, he is referring to someone who writes in defense of a cause, and by regime, he is referring to the pursuit of the truth through debate, including cross examination of ideas.

I agree with this comment for two reasons. One, it seems that Juan Cole is in agreement with the main stream opinion that the election was obviously rigged, and that the Government of Iran is unworthy of its position (resorting to murder, etc). In the past, Juan Cole has more often than not been in opposition to the main stream opinion, on just about everything regarding Middle East politics. I suspect that many readers come to Informed Comment for “a different opinion”. I know I do. In the current election crisis in Iran, however, I see no different opinion. Just more of the same. It is, without a doubt, a more educated and usually more reasoned opinion, but for the most part, it’s the same as Fox News, CNN, BBC, Huffington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, WSJ, NYT, etc. I suspect that many comments, early on, were an attempt to say “Whoa, Juan… what are you doing?” After making these comments for a few days, and seeing no change, only a persistent fool, like me, would continue.

A second reason to stop commenting is the nature of comments at this site. It all starts when Juan posts an item. When a reader posts a comment, that comment enters a queue. Until Juan can read the comment it does not get posted on the site. This usually creates a delay of a few hours. Usually, it seems that Juan posts a new item at the same time he posts comments to previous items. This has the consequence that there really is no chance for lively debate in the user comments section. I suspect, most readers do as I do, they read the latest posts from Juan, and maybe the comments. But I doubt many read the comments posted to an item that they have previously read.

I think I understand the necessity for this, as there would undoubtedly be much hate spewed in comments if Juan did not exercise this control. Furthermore, lively debate is not necessarily the intent of Informed Comment. I’m pretty sure that being a teacher/researcher/author/TV commentator/blogger leaves little time for Juan to add discussion board moderator to his repertoire.

As I sit writing this overly lengthy comment, it occurs to me. I think I may have misunderstood the intended meaning of “regime's apologists”. It is possible that the regime mentioned is the Government of Iran. If that was the intent, I have to humbly decline the compliment. For I remember many times reading opinions such as: “Juan Cole is an apologist for anti Semitism”, “Cole is simply an apologist for terrorists and tyrants”, “apologist loons like Cole”, “Juan Cole as an Iranian apologist w/o peer”, “Juan Cole, one of my least favorite apologists for radical Islam”. I have done nothing to bring myself to comparison to Juan, I am not worthy of such praise.

 
At 12:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The protests in Iran might or might not be allowed in America or Britain, where peaceful protests have at times dealt with respectfully and at time harshly or even repressively.

Protests at the Republican convention in 2008 were seemingly dealt with harshly, protests over coal mining this week were dealt with by arrests, a British citizen simply passing by a protest was killed by police roughness quite recently.

 
At 12:12 PM, Blogger Alamaine said...

Iran Protests

Who can forget that GW Bush had the protestors barricaded far away from where the Republican convention was being held? Who can forget the portests of Cindy Sheehan in Crawford which were ignored by the Buscists? Who can forget the protestors who stood up against the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and got blasted by the Oakland (CA) police with wooden bullets?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-07.htm

The issue of the Iranis should not be even brought to the level of commentary by any Americans, much less Barry O, the Prez. If Americans were truly concerned about election results, there should have been demonstrable protests (or protestative demonstrations) against GW Bush and his camarilla in 2000 and beyond. There were gatherings of dissenters but they were populated by the Wrong Wingers who tried to storm the ballot counting houses in Florida. And who can forget the event leading to the arrest of the FOX News anchor, Shepard Smith, he who actually hit another reporter with a car on his way to provide his inestimable presence at the scene of the electoral crime?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/dsmithmug1.html

Americans have been lulled into complacency, mostly due to economic pablum and slavery that prevents them from taking any action other than self-absorbed self-satisfying self-indulgent self-preservation. Added are the actions of the law enforcement agencies that have demonstrated on their own behalf, showing that they can create one of the most intense incarceration systems in the Western world.
These sorts drool at the prospects of increasing their militaristic presences, taking on and in as many who would be cross-ways with the 'PATRIOT' (anagram of 'TRAITOP') Act. Dissent is no longer decent.

 
At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem to have not mentioned the name of the President of the United States during the '78-'79 revolution.
You also fail to mention that the RNC demonstrators were indeed allowed to protest, while not in a location of their liking or that none of those arrested were shot, dragged from hospital rooms to "disappear" or made to march in front of cameras to denounce another country for alleged involvement.
While the U.S. involvement in the region is sad in the least you seem to have no solutions other than laizze(sp?) faire diplomacy which has also failed.

 
At 12:14 PM, Blogger opit said...

'The accusations are patently false'.
As you note, the accusations being hurled at Iran lack credibility or impartiality , sponsored as they are by a state with a track record of foreign intervention.
Not only did Bush authorize black ops against Iran, their diplomats have been arrested and tortured and they have been repeatedly accused of WMD threats - supposedly supplied by a neighbour who fuel and equipment supplies of fusion - not fission - tech sparked warnings from those who warned about fertilizer in Iraq : yellowcake.
Now the Shah's boy is importuning Israel for help in perpetrating violence in Iran.
Look at the record with Somalia and Iraq/ Iranians know exactly the sort of 'help' they are likely to receive.

 
At 12:14 PM, Blogger kwerkun said...

" If the US had left Mosaddegh alone in 1953, Iran might now be a flourishing democracy and no Green Movement would have been necessary." - maybe - but no one knows. If Reagan sat quietly in the 80's, Soviet Union might have been still around, etc. There are many if's but history is history.

Having said that, of course, as always, it will be up to the country's own people to decide the direction (in this case Iranian people) - outsiders can only offer opinion and delay or accelerate what would happen otherwise.

In my view we will look at another 10 years before the resolution - it will take tham for the process to trickle down through Iranian polity. Assuming, government is semi-reasonable in their management of the economy. Btw, China, used in article as a quid pro quo for Iran today is another story and it is quite clear that the author has not been to China. It is run by practical and technocratic non-ideological regime (other than in terms of maintaining power) which has been presiding over significant increase in wealth of the Chinese people - I do not think the same can be said of Ahmadinejad. There is also the culture part - but that is for another conversation.

Krzys

 
At 12:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juan Cole : you cannot fool anybody now with a "backpedaling and damage control rethoric" not that a Colored, Virtual and Twittered counter oligarchic Revolution failed so miserably in tehran . So many readers observing comments clearly with absolute bewilderment Catapulting of The Propaganda for a Global Americana Empire for weeks.

Like after bush's weapons of mass destruction, tour weapons of mass deception will make for many impossible to trust you in the future.

 
At 12:27 PM, Anonymous Brian C. said...

Thank you for taking what has been seen as an "unpatriotic" stance: calling our government on its mistakes. It is hard to condemn another country when it was our own meddling that contributed to the current situation. I can well recall the grafitti spattered all over my hometown when I was a child: "Death to Iran". I recall leaving school to attend the welcome home parade for the Embassy hostages. I remember being frightened and repulsed by the looming Khomeni. It was only years later that I read about the events of 1953, and learned that not all villians dress in robes and turbans. I wonder how your average American would respond if Iran assassinated George Washington and secured the regime of George III. I wonder if many Americans understand that today, the average Iranian citizen has a greater appreciation and love for freedom than could be found in all the ribbons on all the SUVs in all the WalMart parking lots across this, our beloved country.

 
At 12:31 PM, Anonymous davidze52@yahoo.com said...

Mr Cole, it seems to me that your post is very insightful and well informed. However, some of your observations are not factual and some are one-sided remarks. like Mr Mousadeqh's, since he was a proponent of Communism. And it also seems like your are quick to point out the short commings of the Republicans but leaving the Demcrats untarnished and good guys. Aren't a hypocrite too.
Respecfully;
david Zerafat

 
At 12:35 PM, Anonymous Daniel F. said...

This is a very good article. I agree that spontaneous protests would not be allowed in most U.S. cities. After all don't we need to apply for a permit or something if we want to protest? When did our law makers sneak that one in? Our right to assemble has been co-opted by a simple permit that the government can deny simply by saying that it may suspect violence at a protest. If we are not carefull all our rights may be denied by a simple permit application if it is percieved that it is in the interest of protecting us from ourselves.

 
At 12:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lucid perspective...embarassing to the right-wing McCain and Chaney types. I would contribute Kent State to the list, but in the interest of fairness, we should also add the Chicago Democratic convention (out of respect to the Berrigan brothers!)

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Billy Glad said...

While researching fatwas, I was struck by the fact that the one person a fatwa is binding on for sure is the cleric who issued it.

During the Democratic primary, I was critical of President Obama for suggesting a summit with Iranian leaders -- either Ahmadinejad or Khamenei -- without preconditions. What, I asked, could Obama talk about that wasn't already known?

It seems to me now that it would be worthwile discussing the Supreme Ruler's 2005 fatwa, reportedly renouncing and forbidding nuclear weapons. Regardless of Khamenei's standing as a cleric, his own fatwa is binding on him, and he is still the Supreme Ruler in Iran.

Might not this be exactly the right time for President Obama and Mr. Khamenei to discuss the exact wording of that fatwa and what safeguards Mr. Khamenei would be willing to put in place to make sure it's observed? And isn't Mr. Obama the ideal president to do that?

 
At 12:51 PM, Blogger J. E. Burke said...

This is really such a total crock. People in the US and other free countries can and do mount huge demos with tens or hundreds of thousands of people e.g., the pro-immigration rallies of a couple of years ago). Local police forces require parade permits when such demos are likely to close traffic, interfere with others or possibly provoke violence. If you want to stage a demo in support of Khanenei at Iran's UN Mission today, the NYC cops will turn out in force to protect you.

So can the protesters in Tehran get a permit? No, of course not.

Cole's supposed outrage at the Iran regime's violent crackdown is undermined by this sort of silly and baseless comparison to life in a free country.

 
At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Powerful comments & critiques from the Reformist Iranian religious scholar and mujtahid Mohsen Kadivar (both in Persian):


Mohsen Kadivar in front of the U.N. Building, NYC


Mohsen Kadivar on Columbia U. Panel

Yet more proof that the Iranian Shi'i 'ulama are far from "all the same," as many ignorant journalists, pundits, and armchair "revolutionaries-of-one week" claim.

 
At 12:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good article, but how do you know it was indeed a "clearly fraudulent" election? There has been no evidence presented thus far. Pre- as well as post-election polls show Ahmadinejad the winner. We may not like the outcome but that does not mean it was not legitimate.

 
At 1:06 PM, Blogger Jayhawk said...

I would just caution Iran. The last time Obama talked about "respect for the sovreignty" of a nation, Pakistan, he promptly started bombing the crap out of it with drones.

 
At 1:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent commentary!

 
At 1:08 PM, Blogger Otis Foster said...

I agree with your conclusion - physicians first credo is to do no harm, and theres little the US can do about it - but you weaken it by appearing to establish rough moral equivalency with the odious W and his crowd. As much as I detest Bush, its clear he and his cohorts never engaged in the kind of mindless brutality against domestic opponents that Iran is demonstrating. And while you are correct that the US and the UK have a long history of intermeddling in Iran, your point is precisely...what? That we all have to be understanding and less judgmental about what Khameini and the Basij are dishing out as revolutionary justice?

Moral outrage is a very bad platform for foreign policy, but there are times when over-reliance on cool analysis and historical ruminations fails to fully capture the essence of the situation. There is after all such a thing as pure evil. As much as I support Obama, he fell into this trap at the outset, and IMO youve wandered into it too.

 
At 1:12 PM, Anonymous Sha-shah said...

Wow, what idiotic comparisons. Jimmy Carter should (where is he now?) apologize to the Iranians for the overthrow of the Shah... The Iranians were better off then!! The fact is that the idea of negotiating "without preconditions" has gone to hell.

 
At 1:15 PM, Blogger Heretical_i said...

I've linked to this post @ Internet Archive, and my site Razed By Wolves in a historical hypocrisy moment:

"The Destroyer USS McCandless is relieving the USS McCain in the US Navy's shadowing a North Korean scow believed to contain weapons systems, which, btw WAS NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL when North Korea transported Russian weapons systems to Ethiopia for our war on Somalia.

Three months after the United States successfully pressed the United Nations to impose strict sanctions on North Korea because of the country's nuclear test, Bush administration officials allowed Ethiopia to complete a secret arms purchase from the North, in what appears to be a violation of the restrictions, according to senior American officials. The United States allowed the arms delivery to go through in January in part because Ethiopia was in the midst of a military offensive against Islamic militias inside Somalia, a campaign that aided the American policy of combating religious extremists in the Horn of Africa. [In Full, GlobalResearch reprint of a NYTimes article, April 7, 2007]

Self-serving Hypocrisy... That's what America is known for in the global community.

Change THAT, and it will truly be a "New World Order" for the planet.

Speaking of HYPOCRISY Juan Cole @ Informed comment on the Iranian protests: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 Washington and the Iran Protests: Would they be Allowed in the US? .

Not if Da' Buffalo remembers his anti-war history correctly." [Imagery Follows]

 
At 1:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the author's assessment of the history of U.S. involvement in Iran, and his conclusion that intervention is not called for or likely to produce good results. But, comparing the treatment of protestors in the U.S. to the brutality in Iran is just plain flaky. Why is it so hard for someone with a liberal agenda to hold to the rationalist roots that their thinking comes from? Evil white male conspiracies don't explain all the worlds ills any more than liberal media conspiracies do. Demonizing the government you want to give more power to (healthcare, environmental regulation, bank regulation)doesn't make alot of sense.

 
At 1:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan in Georgia

Seems your idea flows exactly along the same lines as most liberals. LET them be, and wait and see. OK what is your opinion on North Korea? Should we wait till they have shot a nuclear missle at the U.S. then really start to compalin? Suppose Iran goes on to develop one, and attacks Israel? What then? Will you then say.... "oh my, I didn't think they were really going to do it?"

 
At 1:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brilliant article, the sanest, most informed, most objective response that I have read in the American press over this issue. For showing up to protest the G8 meeting in Seattle, WA a few years ago, we know what the protesters got from the police. In 2001 italian police shot a young man protesting the G8 meeting in Genoa that year, and jailed several hundred protesters from around the world. These hypocrite GOP talking heads are trying to tell me that if Democrats had taken to the streets the day after the Florida debacle in 2000 and begun to burn tires in the streets of New York or Washington, the police would simply sit back and watch them, or the elections would have been annulled? Nonsense! I'm not surprised there are no comments on this article yet; we often do not like to hear or read the truth. I hope someone is reading this. Most importantly, I hope people like Biden are reading it. Thank you for the sanity.

 
At 1:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing Article!!

 
At 1:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No mass arrests at Denver DNC Convention, eh? (150+)

Also, the way you equivicate the marshall law state in Iran right now, to protests and media coverage here in the US is pathetic. Try comparing apples to apples. For example, US police don't use live rounds at a peaceful protest.

Finally, if your "WASP" comment was about any other ethnic group, you'd be labelled a racist.

 
At 1:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am deeply suspicious over the facts that protests are erupting over Iran which is one of the most "democratic" regime in the Middle East and not in Egypt or Saudi Arabia with their horrific totalitarian regime.
If the United States wants freedom in the Middle East, it should equally demand it from Iran as much as from Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia.
If we are "appalled" by the violence and the loss of human life (estimated at a grand total of 13), why do we keep a blind eye when the Israelis were butchering thousands of Palestinians a few months ago?
The principles of justice and the search for freedom should be applied equally for all, if the world is to be ever free from the scourge of human conflict.

 
At 1:37 PM, Blogger gusto said...

The US is only limited by our imagination ! Just like at one time we effectively used the Voice of America we should be working on some sort of "uncensored" internet access to cover places like Iran and China. Doesn't necessarily have to be an overt acction by the government.

You correctly point out that being an oil nation insulates Iran from international pressure. There's were we lack imagination: the day we decide to open up Anwar or the Continental Shelf to oil exploration the price of crude will drop so much that the thugs in Iran, Venezuela and Nigeria will inevitabbly fall. Sorry, I forgot that some wild animal in a desolate place is more important than the future generations or Iranians, Nigerians, Venezuelans, Chinese . . .

 
At 1:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

exactly.

 
At 1:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said Juan, good article that highlights the weaknesses in our political system. How can we criticize other governments for what our own government does? Are we repressed like Iranians and just not aware? Perhaps we are closer to the Iranian people than most Americans dare to think.

 
At 2:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thank you for remembering the treatment of protesters at the Republican conventions in New York and in Minneapolis.
I have been remembering following the protests in Minneapolis on the internet, following various sites, and You Tube -- live coverage by protesters in Minneapolis with hand held cameras running to evade the riot police, and made to sit for hours with their hands on their heads-- one protester had a camera in his hands above his head and narrated, turning occasionally to provide a panoramic view ...
I kept wondering lately if that was all washed down the memory hole now ....
Thanks for bringing it up.

 
At 2:03 PM, Anonymous Ray Ankrom said...

It makes one wonder what might have happened here in the U.S. had the voters protested in 2000 when Florida's "hanging chads", backed by their secretary of state, stole the election from Al Gore!
Let's not forget the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968. Who can forget the iconic footage of Dan Rather being beaten by riot police.
Ray Ankrom~~
Nashville, TN
6-24-09

 
At 2:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Would they be Allowed in the US?"

Peaceful demonstrations should always be allowed everywhere, but we have had a long history of not allowing peaceful demonstrations or at least attacking demonstrators for all sorts of reasons. Martin Luther King's struggles in demonstrations show clearly how repressive we could be.

I support peaceful demonstrators in Iran and have no use for the Iranian leadership, but I find American press coverage wildly slanted. There is continually more violence against peaceful Palestinians that American reporting ignores.

 
At 2:21 PM, Blogger lawsjoey said...

I have been ignorant to all the goings on of our government until recent. At 47 I am now just beginning to understand that all government in todays world have been infiltrated by differnet agendas other than the good of the people. It is most obvious that much change is coming here in the U.S. I believe much of that change that they want will not benefit the individual but more towards a collectivist agenda. Your views on this issue are right on the money.
Good job!
Joe

 
At 2:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said, sir.

 
At 2:35 PM, Blogger R. Kevin Hill said...

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At 2:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every word - absolutely true! Thank you. Word "democracy" is politically incorrect. Democracy was hypocrisy yesterday, is now and unfortunately will be tomorrow. Just a way to spread the influence.

 
At 3:04 PM, Blogger Jennie said...

I appreciate your pointing out the hypocrisy of the United States' position on the protesters in Iran, given our own record on the protest during the Bush administration. Even after our own fraudulent election in 2000, when protest were widespread and largely non-violent, nothing like the scale of the protests in Iran was allowed. And if the people of the US had taken to the streets as they have in Iran, I guarantee you that the US government would call in the National Guard, that tear gas would be used, and that live ammunition would be fired if necessary. It is also quite possible that people would be killed. Does no one remember Kent State ("Four Dead in Ohio")? When a regime is threatened with revolution, its natural response is to try to contain it, using force if necessary. The US, despite our high-minded talk now, would, I believe, be no different, were such revolutionary protests to occur hear. Thank you for an excellent and thought-provoking article.

 
At 3:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clearly fraudulent elections? Sorry but the jury is still out on that one. And no, half-baked statistical analyses from Chatham House that have been invented for this election only and have not been subject to peer review or rigorous testing are not substitutes for proof. So lets not jump to conclusions.

 
At 3:08 PM, Blogger MonsieurGonzo said...

Iran Was an Easier Enemy Before We Saw Their Faces: “The faces of the people, and not "the face of the enemy." The difference between the abstract and the individual is decisive for imagination. It is the faces that are indelible, as we saw in the streets of Tehran, whether the men and women were holding up cell phones or placards written black on green, or waving a bloodied shirt or bandage; or holding up rock, as some in Iran did, and as the members of other crowds, less kindly portrayed in the American press, have been known to do. It isn't the face of the enemy that we see in these pictures. No, these are people much like ourselves, who don't want to die at the hands of their government — or at the hands of ours, either, for that matter. -David Bromwich, Professor of Literature, Yale

 
At 3:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are dead on , remember the police actions taken in chicago, by protesters outside the republican convention when Richard Nixon was there we don't have any right to point fingers at other countrys when our own government does the same thing, remember Kent state ??? I do facists bastards

 
At 3:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good article. We're (the U.S.) are trying to act like Harbringers or Peace in the Middle East, but we're the ones that really caused a lot of this a while back. We put Saddam into power. We supported Afghanistan during the cold war then bailed on them and tossed them out like a used rag when we thought the cold war was over. We kept sticking our noses in other countries businesses, mostly to try to instill power structures that we felt were stable and could let that country participate in the global economy without constant turn-over of power & political structure (fanatics make poor business partners). But so many short-sighted decisions to back others have just made things worse. And, as you said, we're so focused on what's going on overseas that our own backyard has gotten pretty messy. We need to clean up our own issues before we start telling others how they should act. It really does strike me angry that local governments will "allow" the law to be broken and arrest protesters since they'll just pony up the money to pay for damages later. Sounds like a huge loophole. Local governments should be supporting people protesting, not silencing them. It's annoying in that no matter who gets elected into office, it seems the same old junk is going on. And, government is trying to control citizenry more and more via suppression of rights by using the judicial system which is supposed to support peoples' rights.

 
At 3:24 PM, Blogger Dale Roller said...

Well thought out. My sentments exactly.

 
At 3:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Politics isn't one side versus the other, Republican vs Democrat. If people comment on issues from that perspective, the conclusions they draw will be biased.

The point of having 2+ different parties is to have different perspectives. Otherwise the government would be run by a one party dictatorship.

The new form of politics in 2009 will hopefully feature an increased amount of cooperation between both parties.

It is unproductive, biased, spiteful and wrong to label one side as wholeheartedly corrupt. Obviously if someone has this perspective they are very shallow minded.

We're all Americans. Stop fighting with each other. Embrace both perspectives equally.


I've noticed one irony though. Many claim that allowing Homeland security access to our information is a terrible idea.

Would you more willingly allow Google complete access to your information than your own government? You already do. Cut the people keeping us safe some slack. Freedom isn't free, it is won by sacrifice.

 
At 3:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

YOUR tellin it like it is ... how true.... thanks

 
At 3:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Obama recognized a "universal right" not a right under Iranian law:

"The Iranian people have a universal right to assembly and free speech."

To many, this legitimizes US intervention.

An important point you seem to miss.

 
At 4:04 PM, Blogger Michael Renner said...

Bravo, bravo, bravo! I have felt quite similarly about these matters, but you articulate these concerns in a beautiful and compelling manner.

 
At 4:27 PM, Blogger Jeff Crook said...

Amen. What is more, when two American elections were stolen, the media refused to cover any protests against those fraudulent elections. The reason we failed to do what has happened in Iran is because we know that our government would not be a restrained as the Iranian government has been. They might not shoot us, but they have plenty of other methods of crowd control. The Department of Defense has spent billions developing non-lethal systems for this very purpose, to make sure nothing like Iran can happen here.

In any case, I think there is a case to be made that what is happening in Iran is at least partly as a result of the efforts of the Democracy Corps. The Green Revolution has all the hallmarks of their work.

As did the Obama revolution.

 
At 4:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent article! Well - said.

 
At 4:40 PM, Anonymous B. Batard said...

I think this is excellent analysis and I can't help but try to analogize your views on America's interest in these matters to something I read on James Fallows blog very recently regarding most of the people of China's views on similar subjects.

http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/06/more_on_chinese_lack_of_intere.php

I agree with both of you. It's their country and we should let them decide what they want to do. After all, there might be incidents that most of us decry as terrible, but they aren't happening on a mass scale. We in the US have so many problems that we need to deal with at home to solve and are ignoring so many of them when we allow ourselves such diversions as when we try to act as the world's policemen. The Chinese seem to have figured all of this out, at least according to Fallows. Perhaps we should try to emulate them (and it is extremely hard I admit). But I like your analysis here and I'm not advocating libertarianism and I realize you're not either. Excellent post.

 
At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I saw the title I thought the article would be complete and utter crap. But I've finished reading it, and it's scary to say, you're absolutely right.

Sickening to think that Iranians and Americans are both having their voices silenced by corrupt governments.

 
At 5:19 PM, Blogger Nana Baakan Agyiriwah said...

Thank you, Juan. I get your writings regularly and I am so thankful for this article. I am not a journalist in the same sense as you are, but, I have been reading and listening and watching the "other" news for a long time. In fact, I was close to many friends who were part of the Iranian Revolution and the toppling of the Shaw. I saw the resisters face armed tanks to the point where the soldiers put down their arms and joined them. It was only later that I found out about the US participation, and in particularly, Jimmy Carter's involvement in all of this...

We need more journalists like yourself, who have strong credibility to get this out. Each and every word you said, was exactly what I was thinking, but the "so-called" free press/speech has said little or nothing about this hypocrisy. And of course MSM is muted... I call this country the United States of Amnesia. Where is the outcry from our own arrested, jailed, tear gassed and harassed demonstrators?? Have they all been silenced?

 
At 8:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The comparison between regimes is sadly apt, because the point Cole is making is that heavy handed crackdowns on protest is the norm in both the US and Iran. The trend in the US is getting worse too, with authorities deliberately dehumanising protesters by using the word terrorist, which creates associations with violent foreign enemies. As is the case in Iran.

Cole himself points out that the protesters were compensated in some cases, and they are not getting shot. Several commenters here have wilfully missed those points, and felt compelled to indignantly point them out, all the while accusing Cole of being the Ayatollah's pet or something similar.

Perhaps these commenters should pause, draw breath, and ask how far the the criminalization of protest in America will proceed. Unlike Iran, this is an issue many readers here will have some direct experience with, and some chance of affecting.

 
At 9:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In living memory, US protesters have been shot and killed, beaten, savaged with dogs, jailed and heavily infilitrated with police spies and provocateurs.
As several commenters have suggested, lets imagine mass protets follwing the Florida debacle...

During the first day of mass peaceful protests, a few cops start beating protesters. The cops have impunity, because the protests are spontaneous, unorganized, block traffic, and have no permits. On the second day, the crowds get bigger and the beatings get worse. By the end of the week, the protests just get bigger, inflamed by the police brutality, and Jeb Bush calls out the national guard... live rounds follow

If this sounds implausible, please tell me how else Jeb Bush would have ended a massive week long demonstration that cripples all urban centres?

 
At 4:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's just hope and pray that we don't go to war with Iran. Just two weeks ago the prospect of war with Iran was politically unthinkable, to say the least. However, now I'm even seeing Liberals and Libertarians beating the drums of war and intervention. And the Neocons are all over the place laying the foundations for war with Iran. Am I too cynical? Perhaps. But everything seems different now. All bets are off. The people are more pliable in terms of accepting an aggressive response to Iran, and even a military response. Of course, the US military is bogged down in Iraq and especially Afghanistan as it is, but a joint operation between Israel, the United States, and NATO would probably do the job. But in the process of "liberating Iran," and bringing them "democracy and freedom," a war in Iran will kill conservatively a few million people. As a libertarian, I'm no fan of Obama, but I hope he continues to have a common sense approach to this situation and ignore McCain's and the neocons' half cocked "make my day" rhetoric.

 
At 4:58 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a beautiful post, Mr.Cole.
Your blog is a national treasure.

 
At 7:53 AM, Anonymous Mary Fox said...

Juan,

You are perfectly capable of making a rational class analysis, but you don't manage to do so with respect to Iran. Unfortunately such an analysis is crucial to understanding what is going on there.

The followers of Mousavi and other "reformers" number primarily among the well educated elites, whose Western-educated, delightfully accented English gets them plenty of face time in the Western media.

Of no interest to these same media are the much larger population of poor and working class Iranians, who more closely identify with Ahmadinejad. Where does one even dream that the elites would ever outnumber the working classes, such that the election could have been stolen?

While Western politicians, supported by massive disinformation disseminated by their echo chambers in the media, pontificate ad nauseam about the "brutal crackdown", the issue is not with the peaceful protesters, but with the rioters. There is no government on earth that would allow a house of worship to be bombed by rioters without some reaction. The violent individuals are making the situation dangerous for everyone else.

Please find someone other than that boneheaded Trita Parsi to listen to. Press TV has carried or will carry an interview with Women for Peace and Justice in Iran founder Simin Royanian, whose viewpoint is more representative of Iranians who are neither monarchists nor members of the bourgeoisie.

Peace,
Mary

 
At 8:39 AM, Blogger Styopa said...

I call bullshit on Juan Cole's hyperbolic nonsense.

Firstly, 550+ people can get together almost anywhere in the US and have a protest.
Outside the door of a major political convention, trespassing on private property? no.
Anywhere else? Yes.

Juan Cole asserts "At the Republican National Committee convention in St. Paul, 250 protesters were arrested shortly before John McCain took the podium..." and that 8 are still under indictment today for being the alleged anarchist organizers.
I was AT the RNC (not attending, I was outside observing).
If 250 were arrested (a number that sounds oh-so-big) that's because they were being asshats - trashing cars, throwing crap at cops, chaining themselves in lines across the exits, or trying to break into the convention center. What isn't mentioned is that this is perhaps 5% or LESS of the 5000+ (the Left claims 10's of thousands, LOL) protesters present. Whups, 250 doesn't sound like so much now, does it?

Oh, and the 8 still being held? BECAUSE THEY WERE MAKING MOLOTOV COCKTAILS and other incendiaries...somehow they assert with a straight face that they weren't actually meant to harm anyone or anything.

This is *slightly* different than people protesting a tainted election being shot dead or 'disappeared'.

Blind, politically motivated moral equivalence is idiotic.

..just noticed...'all comments must be approved by the author'. Nice. Let's see if freedom of speech is allowed here.

 
At 10:16 AM, Blogger Eve Siegel said...

Mr. Cole
Over 20 people have been killed in the current Iranian unrest. Zero Americans were killed by authorities at Republican convention. When Albert Gore contested the president vote, his family was not arrested.
Can you begin to see how silly it is to compare the USA with Iran?

It's also silly to keep saying "if only the USA had left Iran alone in 1953, then it would be a flourishing democracy..."

There is NOT one flourishing democracy in the Middle East. Egypt Syria and Jordan are benign dictatorships. Israel is the closest to a true democracy.

 
At 11:53 AM, Anonymous Riverside68 said...

BTW a correction on the status of the 2004 RNC false arrest situation. About 500 of the 1,800 arrestees filed individual lawsuits. About 100 of those settled for around $5k each. All the rest, and the class action representing everyone else, has been bogged down for two years over the city appealing the court's order to release the NYPD documents relating to spying on peaceful anti-war groups.

There is a paper written by a UCSB prof "The Process is the Punishment." All most all of the 1,800 arrestees would not have been sentence to any jail time even if they had been found guilty of the charges. But they all spent 24 to 50 hours in custody, much of which was in an abandoned bus garage on the Hudson River. There is no question that this accomplished the desired result of suppressing protest. Just to be in the area was to risk arrest. To vindicate your rights, i.e. go to trial, took months of court appearances each of which took 3 to 5 hours of waiting.

This is not a model of protected free speech rights.

 
At 1:00 PM, Blogger Nana Baakan Agyiriwah said...

I have read all of the comments. I believe I was the first to comment on this article by Juan Cole. I continue to stand on the belief that the United States of Amnesia applies to this country. It will all come out in the wash how much interference has taken place by the CIA or any other organization's funding of the protests, because for sure, someone is funding them, protests costs lots of money!
But here is my point, there is such a hoopla about the Iranian "universal right" to protest. Let's just flip this script a bit so that we can see where the true hypocrisy lies. What if those same folks protested their "universal right" to have nuclear arms to defend themselves from all enemies, domestic and abroad? How many folks would find that heartening and would want to rally around a nation that has been deemed "terrorist supporters" and part of the axis of evil? I find it extremely troubling that the United States of Amnesia MSM can threaten war on a country for wanting to maintain its sovereignty in one breath, yet support protests of their government in another. Is it merely that the USA is taking some type of cynical joy in the disruptive rifts in Iran? Or is the USA traveling the moral high ground?

 
At 1:07 PM, Blogger Steve Hunt said...

So were the boycotts in the previous Iran election overplayed, or even contrived to an extent?

 
At 3:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But it is important to remember that the US itself was moved by Bush and McCain toward a 'Homeland Security' national security state that is intolerant of public protest and throws the word 'terrorist' around about dissidents. Obama and the Democrats have not addressed this creeping desecration of the Bill of Rights, and until they do, the pronouncements of self-righteous US senators and congressmen on the travesty in Tehran will be nothing more that imperialist hypocrisy of the most abject sort."

Apparently Mr. Cole has forgotten that over 150 protesters were ALSO arrested at the 2008 DNC.

We already know where Obama stands on this issue.

 
At 6:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are there any countries in the world that would allow "Spontaneous, city-wide demonstrations"? The fact that the US requires permits for demonstrations (unlike Iran, which has simply banned all demonstrations) doesn't mean its citizens' right to assemble in public is being trampled on. If the US is "in no position" to criticize Iran, then who is? There's no neutral arbiter in the international system.

It's also stupid to point to the number of people arrested at a protest as clear evidence of injustice, when people have been deliberately getting themselves arrested at protests since the 60s at least.

PS America was wrong to overthrow Mossadeq but should not be ashamed of supporting the Shah, he was better than his replacements.

 
At 1:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch and read
http://www.mohammedt-shirt.com
Please read in English.

 
At 2:05 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

No "apparently" about it.

Protests like those in Tehran would absolutely be treated as illegal in New York City. Throughout the administrations of Rudolf Giuliani and now Michael Bloomberg, the city has routinely corralled people at protests, used police in full riot gear and mounted police to intimidate protesters, and arrested people on no provocation at all.

During the 2004 Republican National Convention, police planted 'cops as protesters' to try to stir up trouble (that is, provoke people to do stuff they would not otherwise do). Something like 1600 people were detained in polluted, unsanitary, unhealthy conditions in a facility on the Hudson River. Legal cases are still in the court system. Mayor Bloomberg has continually opposed making public details of the police actions.

During the Giuliani administration, vocal critics of Giuliani, especially artists, found themselves getting 'visits' from the police.

Finally, it now emerges (as the ACLU and others have reported) that the Obama Department of Defense is defining legal, political protest as "low level terrorism". Those are the DoD's own words. First amendment protected speech is being defined as terrorism by the Obama administration. This is a definition long in use by champions of Israeli war crimes like Joseph Lieberman who identify all critics of Israel as anti-Semitic and supporters of terrorism.

So there is simply no question. Protests like those in Tehran would be suppressed, perhaps even violently, in the United States.

 

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