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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Tuesday, January 27, 2009

Cole/ Marsh Debate on Obama's Bombing of Pakistan

My Democratic Party colleague Taylor Marsh took exception to my Salon piece on Obama's decision to bomb Pakistan during his first week in office.

I always welcome vigorous debate and believe that arguing substance in public is essential to our attaining the ideals of a democratic republic. I value Taylor Marsh's perspective and we have often agreed in the past, when public opinion in this country was against us. I offer the following in the way of an an honest disagreement, and with full respect for my debating partner.

That said, I really must object to the way Marsh argued this case. First, one of her main concerns is that my analysis might give comfort to the Right insofar as it offers a critique of an Obama policy. She wrote "Talk about your wingnut New Years gift, presented on the wings of hyperbole." And ended, "Sean Hannity says thanks. Or who knows, maybe it's a gift." She said that such figures on the right have been talking about Obama being criticized by the antiwar Left and suggests that my column gave support to their talking point.

The notion that we should not say something critical of the policy of a Democratic president because it might give aid and comfort to the rightwing enemy is completely unacceptable. It is a form of regimentation, and equivalent to making dissent a sort of treason. We had enough of that the last 8 years (it used to be from different quarters that I was accused of traitorously succoring the enemy).

I am an analyst, and a truth-teller. I don't work for anyone except, in a vague way, the people of Michigan, who took it into their heads to hire me to tell them about the Middle East, and their charge to me is to call it as I see it. I serve no interest. I am a member of the Democratic Party, but I don't accept everything in the party platform, and I am not so partisan that I cannot admire politicians and principles of other parties, whether the Greens or (some) Republicans. I didn't agree to join the Communist Party, such that no dissent is allowed lest it benefit the reactionaries and revanchists.

So that dimension of her posting is objectionable and rejected. I don't care what people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh say or think, and I certainly am not going to self-censor so as to avoid giving them ammunition. Hannity was put there by crackpot rightwing billionaire Rupert Murdoch for a purpose, and he will serve that purpose regardless of what we analysts say.

In a democratic republic, open dissent is valued.

Another rhetorical feature of Ms. Taylor's essay is to compare my column on the hellfire missiles rained down near Wana and Mir Ali to Bob Woodward's attempt to gossip on Chris Matthew's show about an alleged affair on the part of Caroline Kennedy. Matthews stopped him on the grounds that inadequate proof was being offered for the allegation.

My piece in Salon involved no gossip and all my points were backed by hyperlinked citations. I did not allege on shaky grounds or on the basis of a single source that the US military bombed Pakistan. It bombed Pakistan. It killed a whole family near Wana. There was a funeral:

"Thousands of tribesmen on Saturday attended the funeral prayers of the victims of Friday’s drone attacks in the North and South Waziristan Agencies. They condemned the killings and asked US President Barack Obama to spend the money on the welfare of the tribal people instead of killing them with sophisticated weapons. . . They claimed that all those killed in the attack were innocent and local villagers, who had nothing to do with militancy or Taliban."


So how is discussing this air strike and the reaction it evoked in the Pakistani public in any way like Woodward gossiping about Caroline Kennedy?

If it is being alleged that my column contained unsubstantiated speculation, then the details of that speculation should have been pointed to, and alternative information calling it into question should have been presented. Simply likening an analysis to gossip is insufficient to discredit it unless actual proof of false or shaky assertions is offered.

Among the few points at which Ms. Marsh engages with the substance of my argument is her comment, "Whether President Obama approved continuing these strikes or not, he did, the fundamentalists in Pakistan will continue their work to make an Islamic state independent of what the new American President does or does not do."

There are several things wrong with this assertion. It assumes that the "fundamentalists" in Pakistan are unchanging in their essence and that they are unpersuadable and cannot be reasoned with or negotiated with. But this is how the Jamaat-i Islami responded to Obama's inauguration speech:
"Jamaat-e-Islami welcomed a pledge from US President Barack Obama to seek a "new way forward" with the Muslim world after eight turbulent years at the White House. "We welcome it very much," said Khurshid Ahmed, a senior leader in the Jamaat-i-Islami -- the main religious political party in Pakistan and an organiser of angry demonstrations against the US and Israel. Ahmed slammed outgoing US president George W. Bush, accusing him of "alienating the US and Americans from the Muslim world." "Obama has to face the real issues, go into the causes and work seriously for the abdication of Bush's policies," Ahmed told AFP. "Unless he does that, mere words will not be sufficient."


The JI leader Qazi Husain Ahmad is old enough to remember admiring the United States back in the 1950s and 1960s for the stance it often took in favor of decolonization in the Third World. (The US typically only opposed decolonization if the liberation movement had been taken over by Communists). At least according to leaders such as Qazi Husain, he Jamaat-i Islami is not intrinsically anti-American, though some tensions between it and US policy do arise.

My point, moreover, was not about whether JI cadres will remain committed to their Islamization project. It was about the attitude to the JI of the Pakistani electorate over time. The Jamaat-i Islami has only occasionally performed well in Pakistani elections. Its high points were 1970, when it and two clerical parties collectively won 14% of seats in parliament; and 2002, when the Islamic Action Council of which it formed part won 17% at the federal level and actually took over the North-West Frontier Province and (in coalition) Baluchistan, the two provinces most crucial to Afghanistan security. This 2002 good showing by the fundamentalists was certainly a result of Pakistanis casting a protest vote against the US bombing and invasion of neighboring Afghanistan.

The Jamaat declined to participate in the Februay 2008 polls on the grounds that they were held under a corrupted judiciary, since Gen. Musharraf had dismissed the Supreme Court and replaced it with more pliable justices. (By the way, for the JI to defend the secular supreme court suggests that its political project is broader than just establishing an Islamic state).

The current political eclipse of the Jamaat is not written in stone. The Pakistani public does not usually vote fundamentalist, but some proportion of the electorate sometimes does, and anti-imperalism and Muslim nationalism are impetuses for it. Continued America airstrikes on Pakistani territory, which are extremely unpopular with the Pakistani public, could shift the electorate to the religious right over time. It happened in 2002, and could happen again. The airstrikes make the Pakistan Peoples Party government, secular and left of center, look wimpy and even like collaborators in the country's humiliation.

I lived in Pakistan off and on for a couple of years and know Hindi-Urdu and have followed Pakistani politics since 1981. I have authored academically on South Asian Islam. These things do not mean I am right, only that my views on what could happen are not uninformed and not based on mere armchair speculation.

Marsh writes, "In other words, unlike Bush, who made everything about Anything But What Clinton Did, Obama will approve airstrikes if they are warranted in Pakistan (or elsewhere), not stop them just because it was Bush policy."

What I was saying is that Obama cannot possibly have known, 4 days into his presidency, whether airstrikes on Pakistan are "warranted." I was saying that he should have called a time-out and heard Holbrooke's report first. He should have had formal face-to-face consultations with President Asaf Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, and perhaps with the opposition, such as former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, as well.

Bombing Pakistan unilaterally is illegal in international law where Pakistan has not attacked the United States or where there is no United Nations Security Council resolution authorizing such an attack. Please see the Charter of the United Nations, to which the US is a signatory. If the US had a formal treaty with Pakistan, signed off by the legislatures of the two countries, that permitted hot pursuit of militants from Afghan territory, that would bestow a basic legality on it. But the only warrant for the US to shoot Hellfire missiles into Pakistan and kill Pakistani women and children along with militants, is the Bush Doctrine, which I want to be abolished and which I had understood Obama and his team to object to, as well. Contravening US treaty obligations and international law is a war crime.

Toward the end of the essay it is suggested that my column could be lumped in with the blogging of pacifists who oppose all military action. I supported the 2001-2002 US war in Afghanistan and am not a pacifist. I do, however, advocate an option for peace, which is that I believe peaceful means of addressing conflict should trump violent ones until it becomes clear that they simply are not working and that violence is necessary for self-protection.

The danger of Obama becoming mired down in Afghanistan and Pakistan is very real, and is obvious to anyone who knows the history of imperial interventions in the former. Warning Obama that he started out on a bad foot in Pakistan and suggesting that he take some time to consider charting his own, original course, is not injurious to Obama. Blind support for whatever he does is what would harm him.

I have been thrown out of organizations and even a whole country for refusing to toe a party line. Baathist Syria censored my news articles when I was working for a newspaper in Beirut. Theocratic Iran, where you have to follow the khatt-i Imami, the line of the Supreme Leader, once had me blackballed from an academic conference they helped fund. I object to party lines. I am not interested in being a court poet who spouts panegyrics. I am interested in being the academic equivalent of Hunter S. Thompson.

End/ (Not Continued)

69 Comments:

At 5:50 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Professor Cole; it's not often that I disagree with you, but I think you're wrong to frame this as "bombing Pakistan". How many times have we been told that this "lawless tribal region" exists outside of "official" Pakistani influence/control? I'm no expert on the Middle East or Islam - only a couple of college level courses, but I am a liberal veteran of the US military, so I can't be pigeon-holed as "hawk" or "dove". I'm one who feels that war is a sometimes necessary evil, and I agreed 100% with Obama when he said that if Pakistan wouldn't or couldn't do something about that area, then he would (paraphrased, of course). I hope that he takes opinions such as yours under advisement, but until something changes, I support air-strikes in that region.

Other than that, keep up the outstanding work. We need more learned voices like yours.

Lexington, KY

 
At 6:30 AM, Blogger Dr. Mathews said...

Well said and I agree with you fully on this one!

 
At 6:31 AM, Blogger qunfuz said...

Professor Cole - During the US election campaign I got fed up of your advocacy for Obama, and I removed your blog from the links section of mine. Now I'll put you back. Although I still disagree with you on many points, and although, as a non-American, Obama doesn't inspire any hope at all in my heart (he's the new emperor after all, continuing with a smile the atrocious US support for Zionism, and now murdering Pakistanis), I salute you for your constructive criticism of Obama and the democrats.

 
At 6:38 AM, Blogger Professor Philips said...

"the academic equivalent of Hunter S. Thompson"? Gonzo lecturing? Please don't. But continue to give us your informed analysis and commentaries.

Personally I think that this is the 21st century version of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, planned in one administration but executed by another. Obama will have to figure out how to accomplish his goals by new means. That may take some time.

 
At 7:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juan,

We disagreed over military vs police response to the Atta Gang attack and the appearance of its origination in the Taliban governed Afghanistan. I appreciate your making the point that you supported the military centered policy of the Bush Regime in October, 2001 in response to Ms. Marsh's claim that your column could be lumped in with the blogging of pacifists who oppose all military action.

What is absurd about this "lumping" of all forms of response which are non-military into "the blogging of pacifists" is that it puts InterPol and all non-destructive, correctable investigative methodolgies shared by law enforcement agencies and judiciaries not captive to political party, or any ideology other than empericism, that is, forensic science, in the same category as foregive-and-forget religious non-scientists indifferent to fact-finding and corrective policy.

I disagree with you on the specific question, as Barbara Lee did with all of her colleagues in the House, and Ms. Marsh's attempt to make money at your, and everyone's expense, as an entertainer, is unfortunate.

The fact that SecDef could run an illegal act past the new POTUS on day 4 and get a green light to carry out a clumsy assassination attempt and kill over a dozen innocent people is not reassuring, not just on the specifics of the act and the soundness of the policy, but that the POTUS acts rashly.

Having an elected government rather than a court appointed appointed regime is an improvement, but this act was a policy blunder, no matter who its author.

Eric

 
At 7:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said. I feel that the sort of party loyalty that Taylor Marsh demands is bad for her own party as well as the country as a whole. Obama's options are somewhat limited as to what is viewed as 'acceptable' in the sphere of debate. We have already seen the disasters that occur when we let the Right define the terms of the debate. If Obama continues the sad Democractic Party tendency to act as a rubber stamp for the Right, the Democratic Party will fade into irrelevance.

The US economy is crippled, and we're saddled with enormous military and foreign aid obligations. Allowing the Right to drive the country into another costly quagmire in Pakistan could be devastating, and ultimately deliver Pakistan's nuclear weapons into fundamentalist hands.

The dangers we face are real and enormouse. We need sober, realistic debate that explores all our options.

 
At 7:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wonderful commentary on the thinking of our Democratic Party right wing, virtually, perhaps perfectly in sinc with the Republican Party right. Too be against foolish, illegal and counterproductive uses of force doesn't meet my definition of pacifism nor that of most people. Obama is surrounded by the Democratic right, the progressive section almost invisible, and his behavior in foreign policy thus far very disappointing.

 
At 8:13 AM, Blogger eurofrank said...

Dear Professor Cole

You can take some comfort from the fact that Stratfor is cautioning people along the same lines as you have written as regards the Afghan attitude to the US.

The United States is behaving like a power not planning to win; and, in any event, they would not be much impressed if the Americans were planning to win.

The British MOD are thinking along much the same lines.

The thing that is lacking in Afghanistan is a defined War Aim. This too was the problem in Vietnam.

Your timely and well argued piece is valuable in that it highlights the purpose of the war, and allows a cost benefit analysis to be done on the horsetrading with the Russians that will need to be done to allow implementation of a supply route through the SCO countries.

With elections all over Europe this year any US requests for warm bodies for Afghanistan will need to be justified.

 
At 8:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Democrats seem to be submissive against the aggressive Republicans precisely because they worry about giving "amunition" to the GOP's attack dogs, such as the hideous Karl Rove -- remember him?

High politics should be first and foremost about ideals and principles. Sadly, Washington resembles a brothel: services are bought openly, even by people the "prostitutes" detest. Politicians also feel free to appease and use pork to keep their profitable seats. This has become so normal, it is now the definition of "politics" in the US.

 
At 8:32 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You go prof! Hang in there, don't let the party apparatchiks end the democratic (with small d) give and take, which we've so sorely been missing over the past years. True debate is especially needed regarding Pakistan and Afghanistan, because it sure as hell seems like a massive quagmire in the making.

 
At 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are correct, Professor Cole. I think the Obama worship is getting out of hand. I could never vote Republican, but I didn't vote in November precisely because Obama is a war monger and takes voters like me for granted (as did Clinton). When is Obama going to attend dinner with members of the left, say Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and Michael Moore??

 
At 8:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you, Dr. Cole for all of the contextual insight that you offer. I have appreciated your non-corporate media explanation of events for many years now and believe that people like you offer the real hope for the preservation of democracy both here and abroad.

P.S. I may not always agree with you but the percentage is very, very high.

 
At 8:53 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Thank you Juan. You are the first person I listen to in the morning. (It's always good to start the day with a clear head).
You have been one of the very few voices in the U.S. which have been consistently correct over the years on these topics. Your honesty and insights are much appreciated (even - especially - if they do draw the occasional "ouch"!)
Chris Maas

 
At 8:56 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep up the truth-telling, Professor Cole.

 
At 9:00 AM, Blogger Chuck Cliff said...

Excellent, Juan, it's almost where I'd like to see people tick you off more often -- I mean that in a tongue in cheek sort way, but you do write quite well when you have fire in your belly.

Indeed, foreign policy seems already to be the weak link in the Obama admin and knee-jerk responses may well lead us places we really don't want to go.

 
At 9:11 AM, Blogger Gail Jonas said...

Thanks for the spirited defense of your position on this issue. I read your post every morning in an effort to understand what is going on in the Middle East. Your view is indispensable because of your independence.

 
At 9:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The notion that we should not say something critical of the policy of a Democratic president because it might give aid and comfort to the rightwing enemy is completely unacceptable. It is a form of regimentation, and equivalent to making dissent a sort of treason."

I graduated from a very liberal university in the early 70's, during the peak of the anti-war counter culture. I saw repeatedly that the far left has no more tolerance for disent and reasoned discussion than the far right. Extreme leftists helped turn the country in a rightward direction and discredited liberalism for decades. Lord, I hope we are not heading back in that direction.

 
At 9:50 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Good for you Mr Cole. We will not the change candidate Obama promised by being uncritical of President Obama. I agree President Obama obviously took the word of Bush people on whether these strikes against Pakistan were prudent. I too read Marsh's blog, and often agree with her, but in this she is off base.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Teddy Roosevelt

 
At 10:06 AM, Blogger El Cid said...

I remember a million years ago when many Democrats too took issue when I worked against the passage of NAFTA, and when I said it was a bad idea for Hillary to try to hand all U.S. health care to the biggest 5 HMO's and insurance companies ("managed competition"), and when I argued against the weakening of banking regulations.

The Democrats would have been better off listening to me, and such other 'fringe' types, than in remaining addicted to Republican-enabling conformity.

It is hard for many to understand, but to struggle to make it a better world involves not only keeping crazy right wingers (Republicans) out of power, but confronting other wrong policies and assumptions no matter how long-held to be part of some American 'consensus' by the powerful.

 
At 10:11 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Juan, you're too kind to Marsh, and I doubt she's capable of appreciating your patient response. She writes in attitudinal postures, putting on a performance that gets so caught up in its own demands that careful reasoning becomes a dull burden. There's actually quite a bit of Palin in her piece, or maybe Carl Schmitt, who was more sympathetic to the logic of fighting an enemy than logic itself.

 
At 10:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"America... just a nation of two hundred million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable."

Hunter S. Thompson

 
At 10:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could not see any substance in Marsh's "critique," but her position will likely be a common one.

The one virtue of her writing is that you've now extended your original article's commentary for free.

 
At 11:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well done Juan.... I wonder if she will read your rebuttal ....

I have a song for you Juan- (by Cock SParrer called I Got Your Number)

" I got your number
You can fool some people some part of the time
I got your number
I aint ever gonna toe that particular partyline "

 
At 11:24 AM, Blogger Deep Trunk said...

"I am interested in being the academic equivalent of Hunter S. Thompson."

But presumably lower drug and alcohol content, which is not one of the collateral meanings of academic.

Keep up the good work.

Hail to the Victors Valiant

 
At 11:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Cole, Your article today demonstrates for the reader the most important lesson to be learned - that informed sources commenting on matters of concern to the American people, free of spin caused by adherence to party line, ideology, sponsorship or any similarly coersive preassure, can be relied upon, most often, to honestly and authoritatively report and comment on such matters. Your blog title says it all - INFORMED COMMENT ! Please, please keep at this demanding job, no matter how frustrating it may at times seem. Thanks Ray Koke, Redondo Beach, CA gimmeakoke@msn.com

 
At 11:36 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Well said. There is no justification for firing missiles and violating a nation's sovereignty, especially when civilians are killed by such strikes. These illegal forays have alienated countless people who would otherwise have been supportive of, or at least neutral on, US policy in the region.

Under Bush the US tore up international law; many people hoped (and hope) that President Obama would change matters. There is still time to do so.

The observations by Ms Marsh are bizarre and do not merit comment.

Brian Cloughley
France

 
At 11:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After the absence of details and the establishment of other relevancies, the next most important part of national dialog that is missing in the US is the effective drawing of distinctions between what may often seem as unassailable and separate points. Marsh's piece, heavy with assertion, gave you the opportunity to do that and, thank goodness, you did. America badly needs that. Thank You!--JamesL

 
At 12:00 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

You are correct in pointing out the obvious contradictions and potential pitfalls of Obama’s middle-east policies, even if such criticism may be used by political foes on the right. Those folks don’t have to rely on you for political ammunition; they can create their own reality and make up whatever they want, anyway.

 
At 12:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taylor Marsh's arguments are no different than what Rush, Hannity, Coulter, etc., were saying during the Bush years. It's all about "The Team", not about doing what's right. Keep up the good work.

 
At 12:47 PM, Blogger Don Hynes said...

Hi Juan,

Well said and important words once again. The idea that are "supporting" President Obama by not offering appropriate critique and analyses of his policies and actions is entirely out of character with the direction the President has advocated in every major speech and directive.

I do believe the bombing of Pakistan was another in the mistakes of empire that will require years of earnest and honest endeavor to clean up, but I am not convinced this "policy" will continue. I believe President Obama has better things in mind, and heart, as he clearly stated in his al Arabiya interview.

White House transcript of Obama's interview with al Arabiya
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/60793.html

If you'll allow, I think the real "transition" in our politic will take some time and I see your steadast commentary as a strong and important resource. Perhaps these poetic words will offer some inspiration:


Asking for Renewal

The sadness and cynicism is shifting
as the dark clouds of cruel purpose dissolve.
Going forward life asks its question,
will we again have the courage to love?
Love implies such sadness
the breaking pain of betrayal,
yet here at dawn we can’t excuse history
nor beggar promise for the risk of loss.
In the morning the sky opens
and there is only this possibility
asking for renewal
for the promise of our hearts.

 
At 1:10 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juan Cole is an author and authority on the subjects he writes and speaks.
Taylor Marsh is an author and perhaps an entertainer with a "following". The goal of a free press and freedom of speech can't be "limited" because someone wants to be heard. That is another form of government.

Let no one forget the kind of reportage we have suffered with for the last few decades. It has been trivial, biased and lacking reality . It would be wise to demand the truth before that right is revoked.

 
At 1:18 PM, Blogger Todd Boyle said...

Why not stand tall, and take a position, simply and straightforwardly. The truth is that the whole U.S. military complex does NOT serve America, let alone humanity. All the wars since at least WW2 have NOT been self defense, these have all been aggressions. The US has killed millions of innocent people in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq who never attacked America. Those people never attacked the U.S. So why did we kill them?

The U.S. military as an institution will be judged by the character of its actions.

90% of those people killed, were noncombatants. Children, elderly, bystanders. The US congress and pres. and the US military and their proxies, are institutions out of control. They are in an illegal status, violating laws and treaties. They are NOT defending the territory that is U.S. jurisdiction-- they are committing mass murder abroad to promote the profits and privileges of a political elite in NY and WashDC.

The large, and ever growing disparity in global income and wealth, along with the continuous pattern of U.S. military aggressions against other peoples for reasons other than self defense, are final evidence of the injustice of the U.S. empire. Full stop.

 
At 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It sounds as if Taylor Marsh is auditioning to be the Democrats' Ann Colter. I can't wait.

But I was going along in total agreement with this essay until I hit this:

>>The US typically only
>>opposed decolonization if
>>the liberation movement
>>had been taken over by
>>Communists.

Yikes! You mean like, Cuba? Vietnam? How about Guatamala? Chile? Maybe Indonesia? All left-leaning, nationalistic (i.e., not ruled from Moscow) socialist movements which wanted only not to be run by some US puppet and economically colonized, and who thought their natural resources should be fairly paid for and the proceeds used to benefit their people, not locked up in US banks.

Wait, ahem, just channeling Bill Casey there for a moment, it's okay now.

>>I supported the 2001-2002
>>US war in Afghanistan.

Sigh.

 
At 2:21 PM, Blogger Obama's Ear said...

To paraphrase Hunter Thompson:

"America, just a nation of 300 million used car salesmen with all the money we need to buy guns, and no qualms about killing anybody else in the world who tries to make us uncomfortable".

 
At 2:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The premise of Juan's response to my critique of "Obama's Vietnam?" is incorrect, as I've outlined in today's post. Suggesting that I'm asking for party allegiance for Obama is ridiculous, especially since I was one of the very first individuals reporting on Obama during the primary season who was critical of him and remained so.

The fact remains that one week into Obama's presidency, based on a drone airstrike inside Pakistan, Cole makes the leap of all leaps to question whether his policy in the Af-Pak region could be "Obama's Vietnam."

Not only is this coupling false, especially in military comparison to anything in Vietnam, but it conjures up a devastating fear tactic before the new president has even fully outlined his strategy in the region. As Cole said himself, it's not like military action is Obama's only card he will play.

Politically, it's ridiculous to postulate at this point that anything Obama does in the Af-Pak region will result in Democratic exile for a presidency and one-half, as Vietnam did for Democrats.

Maybe we could give it a month, with Holbrooke having a chance to get into the issue on the ground, before lumping Obama's yet unknown Af-Pak strategy in with Johnson's on Vietnam.

 
At 2:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet again, a very good blog.

I'm really on the fence about this one, but I definitely agree with you about HOW we should debate this policy.

The "with us or against us" approach is part of what got us in this mess, no?

One Love,
--Reverend Manny and the Twilight Empire

 
At 2:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bush/CHENY administration's signature failing was it's abnegation of pragmatic policy and unswerving adherence to right-wing political considerations. Prof Cole's blogging is a good illustration of refreshing example of just telling it like it is.

 
At 3:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were all afraid to be critical of Pres. Clinton during the 90's and look what resulted! We got extraordinary rendition, NAFTA, repeal of the Glass-Stegall Act, welfare deform, and triangulation.
Clinton was probably the best President in my lifetime, but think how much better he could have been with some constructive criticism! I won't make that mistake again!!

 
At 3:56 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

The man from Lexington, KY has a point. The Pakistani Tribal Lands are sleeping with Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

I take Professor Cole's argument to be about the Treaty of Westphalia. Cole is not against bombing within the Tribal zone. He is against unilateral bombing of a nation we are not at war with, a nation that did not agree to this violation of its sovereignty.

Pakistani sovereignty is a major reason Pakistan supported the Taliban in the first place. We might be better served by reassuring Pakistan's security situation and allowing them to police themselves - on a time-table far slower than ours.

Do you remember that scene early in The Heart of Darkness when the French ships are inexplicably bombarding the African coastline? Its a haunting image that comes to mind.

Fairfax,VA

 
At 4:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really don't know this Taylor Marsh, but I really think those who wish to turn this into a referendum on criticizing Obama, or not, are missing the point. I don't know how anyone could have supported Bush41's efforts in Afghanistan only to bash Obama's now when it's a continuation of the same unfinished business. Full disclosure: I voted for Obama, and it was his comments regarding Pakistan over a year ago that took him from mere curiosity to bonafide candidate in my eyes. One need not be a Middle Eastern studies scholar to know that Pakistan has been a problem for a long, long time.

A question I would like to ask Dr. Cole and any of you fellow readers - have you noticed that Pakistan's Swat Valley has been the topic of several reports in US newspapers over the past week? McClatchy printed two in the past 3 days - is the Swat Valley the new focus? I know it's further inland and is populated - unlike the tribal border region - and is controlled by the Pakistani Taliban. Is this an entirely different set of villains, or is US pressure sending OUR opponents fleeing deeper into Pakistan proper, away from those border airstrikes?

Thanks for the excellent conversation,
Lexington, KY

 
At 7:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe she saw Richard Seymour's article in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/27/obama-white-house-foreign-policy) and instantly became so miffed that she had to take it out on a random analyst who was engaged in criticizing Obama.

 
At 7:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a shame to see someone of Juan Cole's stature reduced to defending himself against Taylor Marsh. She does not warrant the platform. She was exposed during the primaries as a propagandist, habitually employing a vast array of logical fallacies.

As for Obama, anyone who is surprised by this must have missed the 339 or so times he said he would order such strikes on Pakistan. Obama, like all neoliberal imperialists, doesn't care about the UN Charter. He knows the corporate media will never allow any mention of it. What they will do is present Obama's war crimes as being "tough on terror."

 
At 9:06 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Cole's article notes: "First, one of her main concerns is that my analysis might give comfort to the Right insofar as it offers a critique of an Obama policy. She wrote "Talk about your wingnut New Years gift, presented on the wings of hyperbole." And ended, "Sean Hannity says thanks. Or who knows, maybe it's a gift." "

I had several thoughts on this. One is that the problem with the Right in recent years is the carte-blanche they handed their leaders led to corruption. I see it as a strength of the left that they are critical of their own leader's actions, especially when you note that Obama does not have total freedom to shape his office, as was tangentially noted by Professor Walt, it will shape him as well.

The other thought was more on the lines of the nature of democracy and the reason for its development. Governments act as institutions and rational actors. They make decisions on cost benefit analysis of their goals. They are not capable of human emotion or integrity. Democracy seems to be born of some understanding of this, to constrain the government, to limit it by making it accountable to a critical audience. Your analysis, right or wrong, serves a critical function within a democracy to preserving its integrity.

Last, this demonstrates very well that despite some claims, the role of academia is not to defend the leftist view and expound upon it. That it is not causal that many academics are of the left. It has more to do with a tangental view of approach to issues.

In short, critical examination of governmental policies, whether as a citizen, a partisan, or as an academic is essential.

 
At 9:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post; succinctly put. We must think for ourselves after all. Keep up the good work.
Dr Know, Chicago

 
At 9:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Bombing Pakistan unilaterally is illegal in international law where Pakistan has not attacked the United States.."

If Afghanistan and the US military are repeatedly facing violent attacks from Pakistan, it certainly isn't illegal or 'unilateral' to target whoever in Pakistan is responsible. It is simply self-defense.

 
At 9:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr Cole,
your information and analysis is extremely valuable; I wish the guru's in Pentagon and White House would read your blog and take advice. But they will not - and it will end up in disaster, only the economy will teach us that "Change" will come naturally - and painfully - after full economic collapse of this latest empire. This change we see daily. What Obama does now in ME and Asia only accelerates it - but not as he intends it. Russia (and possibly China as well) will see to it that US machinations will be long, costly and futile.

 
At 10:08 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Warning Obama that he started out on a bad foot in Pakistan and suggesting that he take some time to consider charting his own, original course, is not injurious to Obama. Blind support for whatever he does is what would harm him.

I agree, and I would take this point one step further to say that, for me at least, one of the reasons I am so happy and optimistic about having Obama as president is that, when we (leftists, liberals, progressives, Democrats) DO disagree with something he does, we actually have a chance (a good chance) of influencing him on the issue. Of course progressives are not going to agree with Obama on everything he says and does. But having someone like him in the White House is not just about agreement. It's about what happens when there's disagreement. It's about how willing Obama and other members of his administration are, when they DO get criticized by fellow Democrats and liberals, to listen and respond in substantive, meaningful ways.

With Bush, that simply was outside of the bounds of any conceivable possibility. Speaking for myself, I cannot overstate how deeply I value having a president who is open to changing his mind when new fact sets, or previously un-thought-of fact sets, present themselves.

 
At 10:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Juan, thanks yet again. Obama will need the empirical, clever and independent minds to combat the near-sighted and too often belligerent measures pushed forward by members in his cabinet and at the pentagon. This was refreshing and timely.

 
At 11:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Taylor Marsh:
Thank you for joining the discussion, but come on, how can you see no parallels at all with Vietnam? I'll give you several: the Taliban is a decades-old, hardened guerrilla movement operating in its own lands, drawing on ancient traditions of resistance to invaders, fusing those traditions with an ideology that allows it to draw on foreign support, in a wilderness and a culture that Westerners have great trouble coming to grips with.

The West is engaged in an increasingly futile attempt to counter said movement by propping up an openly corrupt regime lead by a figure flown in from the United States. In desperation, the US starts escalating the war through ill-conceived cross border bombing campaigns.

Please, Taylor, if you can't connect these realities to Vietnam in the 1960s, look again. Cole is doing Obama a service by highlighting the dangers of trying to bomb first and talk later. And it is NOT too early to make these calls - because Obama is already killing innocents. If Holbrooke's report is going to be so momentous, why can't Obama hold back the predator drones till then, at the very least?

 
At 11:32 PM, Blogger nihilix said...

Taylor Marsh? I've seen some pretty brutal critique of her bonafides. In a karma rating system, you're pinned at the top (like +10) and she's hovering around a -2. But that makes her an even better lesson for those who 'claim that we cannot criticize Obama.'

The corporate media want that narrative, however, so it's good to spend time combating it. They want to see 'us Obama maniacs' puffing him up so high that he can eventually fall. AND if Obama's views are the farthest allowable from the corporate line, then you limit the acceptable range of debate. Try to see how many straight-out single payer health care advocates you find on the cable shows.

 
At 11:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why should Americans worry about Pakistani fundamentalists when they have plenty of their own in the Bible Belt? And the Bible Belt "Mullahs" are every bit as bloody-minded as the Pakistani variety. Come to think of it, the Pakistani and the US Govts. have a lot in common - anxious to secure the loyalty of almost ungovernable regions, relying (admit it or not) on fundamentalist political support, and in the midst of economic collapse.

Maybe there's room for a deal; the US can help out the Pakistani Govt. by bombing Waziristan for them, and the Pakistani Govt. can help out the US Govt. by bombing Kansas. Or maybe that deal is already in place, only the WTC bombers got lost.

 
At 3:11 AM, Blogger William Timberman said...

When confronted, Taylor Marsh changes her tune. Prof. Cole is no longer guilty of giving aid and comfort to Sean Hannity, he's simply guilty of hyperbole.

In my opinion, she's wrong on both counts. Sean Hannity is irrelevant. Using what he might think or do as an argument against taking a substantive political position is simply a form of bullying, and a not very effective form at that. It makes Ms. Marsh look exactly like the histrionic Obama defender which she so steadfastly denies being.

As for the Viet Nam comparison, bombing groups of people in a sovereign country which is not at war with you is the essence of bad foreign policy, not to mention misguided military strategy. Bombing them from an unmanned drone, piloted from hundreds or thousands of miles away, on the basis of intelligence which you can't possibly confirm yourself, is precisely the sort of thing which resulted in failure in Viet Nam.

Our war there wasn't a disaster simply because it killed 50,000 Americans, and our war in the border provinces of Pakistan won't avoid being a disaster because it doesn't kill 50,000 Americans. Historians will call both disasters because neither accomplished anything, and beecause both ultimately weakened our country.

Whatever his other virtues, President Obama does the country a disservice by continuing a military strategy in Afghanistan/Pakistan which was indeed authored by President Bush. If he didn't intend to continue that strategy, there was no reason for him to authorize the strike in question, and Taylor Marsh knows this as well as we do. Consequently, it seems perfectly legitimate for Prof. Cole to ask the question he asked, even if the answer turns out to be more benign than he fears.

 
At 3:51 AM, Blogger karlof1 said...

So, Marsh wants us to behave in lockstep like the Bushites and Stalinists demanded.

It was once noted that if you disagreed with your pastor's interpretation of the bible it was perfectly fine to leave that church and form your own, which is why there are so many Protestant denominations--over 50,000 in the US alone.

It would seem that Ms Marsh is in the wrong political party.

 
At 5:02 AM, Blogger James-Speaks said...

I was unaware that Taylor Marsh existed until this post; after reviewing her work, I can only say, "Flufffy Lives!"

Cole is reasoned, informed, and his posts can be used to generate policy. Marsh is well informed just enough to generate posts reflecting policy.

Cole provides feed for intellectual labor. Marsh merely invigorates the soil.

 
At 5:40 AM, Blogger Lightflyer said...

Well said Dr Cole.

My own take is that Obama has two weaknesses in his foreign policy: Israel and Afghanistan. I can only hope that he will learn and do so quickly.

Afghanistan is unwinnable and declaring national policy to win it is not sensible.

As to air attacks against civilian targets in Pakistan it ranks basically as criminal stupidity unless you can effectively eliminate all civilian deaths (all not just hopefully a few). The problem is that you cannot and the US military, in any case, has shown no inclination to do so. The real sad thing about America's wars against the rest of the world is that the military, as a matter of policy, really do not care about collateral damage (i.e. civilians). In the case of Pakistan, as shitty as the situation may be, every single attack is an illegal attack, a war crime, and wins America so many new enemies.

This is not rocket science just plain common sense. I speak as a person who knows the region.

 
At 8:25 AM, Blogger Neo Cynic said...

Beware the cult of personality spawned by the fringe elements of any political party, be it right or left.

 
At 8:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prof. Cole's accurate analysis exposes Taylor as little more than an Obama party hack. What legitimate business does the US have intervening in these countries? Afghanistan is known for good reason as the place where empires go to die (e.g. Alexander the Great, Britain, Soviet Russia). Obama's plans for stimulating the economy will bring us to ruin if the "war on terror" hasn't already. Borrowing billions and billions from China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, et al to fight our illegal wars? Yep, that should do the trick. Does anyone seriously think these countries will continue to buy up our debt ad infinitum? Ralph Nader was correct: We have a duopoly political system. The Dem and Repub parties have relatively minor disagreements on domestic matters, but appear to be on the same page when intervening in other countries' affairs. Just two sides of the same coin. Remember, it was Pelosi who took impeachment of Bush "off the table", in essence giving the Democrat's blessings to his war crimes.

 
At 11:48 AM, Blogger Christiane said...

Miss Taylor Marsch wrote :
Maybe we could give it a month, with Holbrooke having a chance to get into the issue on the ground, before lumping Obama's yet unknown Af-Pak strategy in with Johnson's on Vietnam.
Of course we would like to give Obama a month or even more to study the case. The problem is exactly that precipitation of Obama : why did he have to bomb these people just four days after acceeding to the presidency ?
Juan Cole is right, the first move is important, it is a clear signal of what Obama will do next and as a European I can tell you that in matters of foreign policy we are already deceived by two important things : why on earth did he not say anything concerning the scandalous attacks of Israel against the Gaza civilian population ? why does he feel the need to bomb Pakistan tribal zone without preliminary discussion with the authorities of Pakistan ? This is US imperialism and unconditional support of Israel just as usual. A deep deep deep deception. Also : it's not enough to say that you are going to talk with the rest of the world. The point is rather what you are going to tell them : and there, I'm already seeing bad signs as well, since he will talk with Iran, but he will say the same as Georges Bush. The rest of the world isnt' only waiting for a change of style, we also want a change of content : we don't want just a change in the melody, we want a change in the words of the song.

 
At 2:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kudos to you as usual, Professor Cole! I too have been pilloried for "criticizing" the new Administration for adopting failed policies of the old Administration, both in the Tribal Regions and in the (un)Holy Land.

The most important work we have is to tell the truth, and one of the paramount truths is that violence seldom solves anything. It is a last resort that we have not begun to approach with the Tribes.

In discussion about "what the heck can we do then", the "Three Cups of Tea" story comes up repeatedly. Any thoughts on that?

 
At 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/01/bombs-and-cash.html

January 28, 2009

Bombs and cash

"U.S. commanders on Tuesday traveled to a poor Afghan village and distributed $40,000 to relatives of 15 people killed in a U.S. raid, including a known militant commander. The Americans also apologized for any civilians killed in the operation." *

* http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28878989

-- As'ad AbuKhalil

 
At 6:39 PM, Blogger Jim said...

It's amazing how fast the worshippers of Oh-Bah-Mah have gotten on my nerves. They're as bad as the worshippers of the previous god-king, Dub-Ya.

The cry I hear from them over and over the last couple of days is "He's only been in office a week! How can you criticize him?"

Maybe it's just my Navy background, but the way I see it is this: once he takes the helm, it's his--all his. Now, he made a decision to launch that missile strike into Pakistan. He's 100% responsible for that decision and the consequences that flow from it, including the long-term consequences.

Those who are attacking Professor Cole are, I think, unable or unwilling to attend to the long-term consequences, which is precisely what the Professor is getting at. One of the lessons of Vietnam (didn't any of these Democrats read David Halberstam's The Best And The Brightest?) is how a seemingly isolated act like an airstrike with supposedly limited objectives, can lead to consequences that progressively narrow the president's freedom of action. Hence, into the quagmire.

 
At 11:17 PM, Blogger steve said...

In response to your closing comment, Professor Cole; Amen.

 
At 11:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your mistake is behaving as if this is the first time Pakistan has come up as a topic of debate. Were this an air strike with no rhyme or reason, coming "out of left field" if you will, you might have a point. But this is Obama addressing a long-simmering problem that his predecessor ignored up until the last few months of his presidency. This wasn't Iraq, where Bush had to create false excuses to invade - this is something that needed to be addressed a long, long time ago.

I want Obama to be subjected to valid criticism when and where it's warranted - but too many of you are looking for any excuse to complain.

Lexington, KY

 
At 12:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prof. Cole, I could not agree with you more. But my further question / comment addresses whether this strike was a War Crime. I believe that such assassination missiles directed to civilian family gatherings should be considered per se War Crimes. Whether or not I am technically correct, all humane American citizens should call upon Obama to repudiate and terminate such tactics in civilian context.

Has Robert Gibbs or anyone else admitted that Obama personally green-lighted this attack with knowledge that the target was going to a populated village to attend a funeral with civilian mourners?

I hope Obama did not do this. He explicitly explained during the campaign why a missile attack that results in the deaths of women and children non-combatants is stupid and counterproductive.

If Obama was never asked to approve this or if the approval did not include the information that the "tip" or "trace" had fingered a civilian location, he should publicly repudiate the strike. Whether he approved the strike or not, he should apologize to the victims.

It is my understanding that each of these drone-launched missiles are personally controlled by a weapons operator through "smart" technology. If so, the operator can probably tell whether or not the target is a village and whether there are women and children in the strike area early enough to direct the missile to a non-lethal target rather than slaughtering innocent civilians.

Assassination by missile is an expensive, cowardly, and possibly illegal counterinsurgency measure, even when the only victims are insurgent forces operating away from civilian populations. It may also be completely unproductive from any standpoint other than immediate tactics - killing one or a few individual al-Quaeda or Taliban leaders does not seem to have ever reduced the violent resistance of these groups to US forces, even in the intermediate term.

 
At 1:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I want Obama to be subjected to valid criticism when and where it's warranted - but too many of you are looking for any excuse to complain."

I know that I may come off as a radical hippy or high in the sky pacifist, but there is no greater excuse to attack Obama for sanctioning the killing of 15 innocent civilians in a drone attack. I could be completely off base and if I am I apologize. But calling murder "collateral damage"doesn't really make me feel better killing a family of poor brown people.

 
At 2:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
-- Leading Nazi leader, Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials before he was sentenced to death

 
At 4:02 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Tis verily a shameful day when someone like Obama, hitherto involved in the law, takes it upon themselves to "outsource" an extrajudicial assassinations of "suspected" terrorists to an unmanned drone, remote-controlled from the US.

Obama made a "necessary" geo-political gesture to show he possesses some cojones and can make "tough" decisions as POTUS. Those suspects blown apart by the drone being "collateral damage".

I'd like to know whatever happened to habeas corpus and due process - two democratic ideals that the US supposedly wanted to export around the globe?

 
At 11:11 AM, Blogger Sam Holloway said...

Two things:

First, the notion that the U.S. (under any president) has the right to launch attacks into Pakistani sovereign territory-- without express Pakistani consent-- simply because militants might be using that territory as a safe haven does not measure up to international law, as Professor Cole has pointed out.

There is indeed a major problem with elements of the Pakistani military and the ISI offering support to such militant groups (and the Taliban), but this is a problem that dates back to our own support for such policies during the Carter and Reagan administrations. We have consistently backed self-serving dictators in Pakistan as ostensible allies in first the Cold War and now the nebulous 'War on Terror.' Then we act surprised that they aren't doing exactly what we want them to do (whatever that happens to be at any given moment). (If you want to know more about our complex and self-defeating relationship with Pakistan, read Ahmed Rashid's "Descent into Chaos" in addition to Professor Cole's writings.) Bottom line, though, if we're concerned about stopping violence that emanates from Pakistan, launching cruise missiles and killing women and children isn't going to help.

Second, I think Professor Cole is right about timing. So much of the Muslim/Arab world was looking at Obama with guarded optimism, and he even lavished them with pretty talk on Al-Arabiya. But his actions (and pertinent lack thereof) right out of the starting gate seem more in line with the tough, militant talk of his campaign rhetoric. The suggestion that we should give him more time (a month? A year? How long?) before we criticize his actions is ludicrous. He weaseled out of criticizing the wanton Israeli slaughter in Gaza because he said there could be 'only one president.' Well, now he's it, and the blood of innocents is on his hands. Maybe he should have waited before launching a deadly and illegal attack that would solve nothing.

 
At 3:05 PM, Blogger Neo Cynic said...

With the sounds of Kabul residents being blown to bloody pieces now echoing in Karzei's ears, he will be forced to join with the Taliban in a coalition government. Victory will have been declared, freshly liberated school children and women will be paraded about, peace shall reign! Both "equal partners", that is until the cameras are switched off. Then, surely as night follows day, Karzei will be dumped overboard, along with his "liberated" citizens. And thus, our "mission in Afghanistan" will sink with nary a murmur, a footnote for a gravestone. Amnesia will block our ears and blind our eyes, -a mere channel flick away. Afghanistan will fall to the floor, the discarded toy of a malevolent child.

Worry not, nor envy the psychopath's sleep, for the horror we have wrought. All corpses rot to dust, and true human remains are found only in the minds of orphans and hearts of widows. And they too do soon turn to dust. And for all here who "loved" our troops, who brayed for the bombs, the air strikes, the torture and the murder, who cheered the bravery of our soldiers, will dare not brave the stares of our victims: here come the bereaved, zombied by misery, their eyes painted in pictures of their dead. They trail galleries of the thousands, hundreds of thousands killed for nothing but our policy failures. What one thousandth child would not break your faith, what one thousandth child would not now, in the candle light of your private thought, make every cheek blush?

Take heart, it is almost over. We still yet have a few more of our young men to sacrifice. As life's last light leaves the eyes of another dead soldier, who in the acute brilliance of their youth and innocence, set down childish things to take up our banners, and die in this wasteland, please whisper a reason. Say anything, pretend anything, give them something to hold on to.

Only you who support this war will be left alone to live with your reasons.

 

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