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Juan Cole is President of the Global Americana Institute

Tuesday, June 26, 2007

Ahmadinejad: "I am not anti-Semitic"
Palestinians should Decide on Two-State Solution



Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul continue to show themselves among the few in Congress with any integrity and backbone. They declined to go along with a resolution charging Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad with incitement to genocide, given his alleged call for Israel to be 'wiped off the face of the map.'

As most of my readers know, Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for 'this occupation regime over Jerusalem" to "vanish from the page of time.' Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed. Ahmadinejad has not to my knowledge called for anyone to be killed. (Wampum has more; as does the American Street).

If Ahmadinejad is a genocidal maniac who just wants to kill Jews, then why are there 20,000 Jews in Iran with a member of parliament in Tehran? Couldn't he start at home if that was what he is really about?

I was talking to two otherwise well-informed Israeli historians a couple of weeks ago, and they expressed the conviction that Ahmadinejad had threatened to nuke Israel. I was taken aback. First of all, Iran doesn't have a nuke. Second, there is no proof that Iran even has a nuclear weapons program. Third, Ahmadinejad has denied wanting a bomb. Fourth, Ahmadinejad has never threatened any sort of direct Iranian military action against Israel. In other words, that is a pretty dramatic fear for educated persons to feel, on the basis of . . . nothing.

I renew my call to readers to write protest letters to newspapers and other media every time they hear it alleged that Ahmadinejad (or "Iran"!) has threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." There is no such idiom in Persian and it is not what he said, and the mistranslation gives entirely the wrong impression. Wars can start over bad translations.

It was apparently some Western wire service that mistranslated the phrase as 'wipe Israel off the map', which sounds rather more violent than calling for regime change. Since then, Iranian media working in English have themselves depended on that translation. One of the tricks of Right-Zionist propagandists is to substitute these English texts for Ahmadinejad's own Persian text. (Ethan Bronner at the New York Times tried to pull this, and more recently Michael Rubin at the American Enterprise Institute.) But good scholarship requires that you go to the original Persian text in search of the meaning of a phrase. Bronner and Rubin are guilty disregarding philological scholarship in favor of mere propagandizing.

These propaganda efforts against Iran and Ahmadinejad also depend on declining to enter into evidence anything else he has ever said-- like that it would be wrong to kill Jews! They also ignore that Ahmadinejad is not even the commander in chief of the Iranian armed forces.

Anyone who reads this column knows that I deeply disagree with Ahmadinejad's policies and am not interested in defending him on most things. I profoundly disagree with his characterization of Israel, which is a legitimate United Nations member state, and find his Holocaust denial monstrous. But this quite false charge that he is genocidal is being promoted by Right-Zionists in and out of Congress as a preparatory step to getting up a US war against Iran on false pretences. I don't want to see my country destroyed by being further embroiled in the Middle East for the wrong reasons. If the Israeli hardliners and their American amen corner want a war with Iran, let them fight it themselves and leave young 18 year old Americans alone.

So here are some things Ahmadinezhad has said that make clear his intentions, and which are translated by the United States government Open Source Center. He is hostile to Israel. He'd like to see regime change (apparently via a referendum on the shape of the government ruling over geographical Palestine, in which all "original" residents of any religion would get a vote). Calling for a referendum on the dissolution of a government is not calling for genocide. Ahmadinejad also says he has no objection to a Jewish state in and of itself, he just thinks it should be located in, say, German territory set apart for the purpose, rather than displacing Palestinians from their homes. He may be saying unrealistic things; he is not advocating killing Jews qua Jews, or genocide.

Note that Ahmadinejad below denies being an anti-Semite (why deny it if he supposedly glories in it?); points out that he supports Jewish representation in the Iranian parliament; and compares his call for an end to the Zionist regime ruling over Jerusalem to the Western call for the dissolution of the old Soviet Union. Was Ronald Reagan inciting to genocide when he called for an end of the Soviet regime?






Iran's President Ahmadinezhad Holds New York News Conference 21 Sep
News conference by Iran's President Mahmud Ahmadinezhad at UN headquarters in New York -- correspondents' questions in English simultaneously translated into Persian -- live
Islamic Republic of Iran News Network Television (IRINN)
Friday, September 22, 2006

Regarding the issue of the invasion of Lebanon, you saw that everyone - of all religions, of all faiths - condemned it. Because the nations have awakened. The nations hate aggression. . . Some people think that if they level accusations at Ahmadinezhad - saying: He is a terrorist, he is a murderer, he is anti-Semitic - the issue would be resolved. No. I am not anti-Semitic. Like all other human beings, Jews are respected. And, by the way, there are Muslims and Christians and Jews among the Palestinian people. We say the people of Palestine should choose. We do not say that it should be the Palestinian Muslims. For they lived in peace and harmony in the past. But then Britain came over and, with colonialist goals, took control and then handed it over to the Zionists. And the problem started. Let the people choose and see what will happen.



Iranian Television Broadcasts President Ahmadinezhad's Interview With French TV
"Exclusive interview" with Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad by David Pujadas of French TV's TF2 Channel on 22 March 2007 -- recorded
Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1
Sunday, March 25, 2007

(David Pujadas) The fact that Iran's position is disconcerting, one of the reasons is that Your Excellency's statements are to a large extent threatening. For instance, your assertion that Israel should be wiped from the map of the world, all these things have created some concern which has been reflected in the nuclear case too.

(Ahmadinezhad) . . . Let me ask you this question: where is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics now? Was it not wiped off (the map)? How was it wiped off? We have a totally humanitarian solution for Palestine. We have said that all the Palestinians should take part in a free referendum so as to end the 60 year old war. The outcome is clear from now. It is because of the same outcome that America and Britain are refusing to yield.

(David Pujadas) Let us clarify everything. Do you really wish to wipe Israel off the face of the earth? Do you have a plan for this job or are you in fact making such a prediction?

(Ahmadinezhad) Look, I told you the solution. I think the people of Palestine also have the right to determine their own fate. Let them choose for themselves, the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims. That is, all the Palestinians who belong to that land can participate in the referendum. I think the outcome of such a referendum is already clear. We saw what happened in last year's elections (when they voted for HAMAS).

(David Pujadas) If the Palestinians themselves accept that two governments should enjoy peaceful coexistence next to each other, will you be ready to accept their decision?

(Ahmadinezhad) Incidentally this is what we are saying. That is, we are saying let the nation of Palestine decide for itself without any imposition. They should be allowed to do so in a free atmosphere. This is the right of the Palestinian people. Let them decide for themselves. Let them decide the shape of their own government.

(David Pujadas) Do you mean with Israel as their neighbor?

(Ahmadinezhad) Look, let the nation of Palestine decide about its own state. This is the right of the Palestinian people. . .

(David Pujadas) A lot is being said about the 60m people who have been killed during World War II, but why should we just discuss the 6m people who have been killed in the Nazi camps for being Jews?

(Ahmadinezhad) You well know that we respect everyone. The Jews, Christians, Muslims. They are all free in our country and they have their own representatives in our Majles [Parliament]. You know that according to the Law in Iran, every 150,000 people have one representative in the Majles. But the number of the Jews is not even 20,000 people and they have a representative. We say that the life and belongings of all people should be respected. We condemn all crimes. . .


Iran: Presidential Website Reports Ahmadinezhad's Remarks at Holocaust Conference
Unattributed report: "The President: Truth-Seeking and Honest Groups Should Be Formed To Investigate the Holocaust"
Presidency of the Islamic Republic of Iran WWW-Text
Thursday, December 28, 2006

The president stated that due to God's wish and the vigilance of nations the days of the Zionist regime are numbered and added: We want prosperity for all humans and even like to guide our enemies, but some European and American politicians' one-sided and bigoted support for the Zionist regime no longer has a function in the world.

Dr Ahmadinezhad stated that, with each day that passes of the Zionist regime's life, the interests and reputation of its supporting powers become more endangered. He added: The sensible and fair solution is to remove this regime the same way it was set up and imposed on the region's countries through planning and imperialistic objectives. This will bring peace to the world, and the region's countries will also forgive the atrocities of the last 60 years.

The president also stated that God did not create human beings for war, hatred, and enmity. He said the key for establishment of peace and harmony is justice; justice is achievable through monotheism and believing in God. He emphasized: An international effort must be made to establish peace and to remove the roots of insecurity and injustice, as the international balance is changing rapidly and the future evolutions will certainly be for peace, brotherhood, justice, and worshiping God.

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18 Comments:

At 1:29 AM, Blogger karlof1 said...

I agree 100%, the current arrangement in Palestine must go in the same manner as the USSR.

I wonder if the French interviewer would be as critical with Bush, Blair or Cheney?

 
At 9:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hits below the belt, rabbit punches, biting, gouging, head butting, etc. is how WE fight. We also control the camerman in this fight so the audience only sees what WE want them to see. We also own the referee, who calls things as we want them called.
The lead up to the big fight demonizes our opponent, so he is hated before he even steps into the ring, thus, even if there seems to be the occassional unfairness at his expense, we are blind to it.
To mix my metaphors: The bloody chum has been placed in the water and now we are just in a blind, thoughtless feeding frenzy.
Our masters know us well.

 
At 10:40 AM, Blogger lproyect said...

I agree that Ahmadinejad is no Hitler, but he blundered badly by inviting David Duke to speak at that idiotic conference.

 
At 3:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

An independent Iran is an obstacle to U.S. control of the region, so there's a clear political need to demonize Iran, which is best done by demonizing some individual.

Saddam was the stand-in in for Iraq, now Ahmadinejad is the stand-in for Iran. It doesn't matter a whole lot what Ahmadinejad 'really' did or didn't say, or what powers he 'really' does or does not have. He's the best available instrument for the Neo-con purpose of 'regime change' in Iran.

The 'masters' know what they have to say to move public opinion in the desired direction, and so they say it, at full volume.

It won't end with the destruction of Iran, either. Noam Chomsky:

The president is not the first to ask: "Why do they hate us?" In a staff discussion 44 years ago, President Eisenhower described "the campaign of hatred against us [in the Arab world], not by the governments but by the people". His National Security Council outlined the basic reasons: the US supports corrupt and oppressive governments and is "opposing political or economic progress" because of its interest in controlling the oil resources of the region.

 
At 4:24 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I would like to address a number of points here...

First let's start with Ahmadinejad... Sure, he says a lot of nutty things, such as having visions of religious clarity and seeing divine purpose in his actions... Hmmm... Who else do I know who is a world leader who is given to this kind of rhetoric?

Of course, the idiot you know is harmless, while the stranger acting like an idiot is always scary... Just as we can justify El Presidente Arbusto's God-visions as him playing to his base, there is a similar justification for Ahmadinejad's actions, because he too is playing to his base - mostly the hardline revolutionary volunteers, such as the Iranian Hizbollahis, and Iraq War veterans, such as the Pasdaran and the Basijis.

However, the overall control of the Iranian military and militia elements does not lie with the president of Iran, but rather with Grand Ayatollah Ali Kahamenei, who has not made any public pronouncements, nor given any orders to prepare for an offensive war with Israel.

Secondly, there is the question of whether Iran really wants a nuclear weapon... While the Iranian government and the Supreme Leader deny any ambitions of seeking a nuclear weapons, I have, as have many other analysts, come to the conclusion that it does indeed make strategic sense for Iran to have nuclear weapons.

However, to realize the strategic imperative for Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon does not equal an analytical conclusion that Iran would use this nuclear weapon in a first strike against Israel. I am completely unconvinced that there is any tactical or strategic value to the idea that Iran would launch a first-strike nuclear attack on a nuclear armed Israel, and kill thousands of Palestinians in the process, when it has absolutely no way of invading or occupying Israel, and when a retribution strike by Israel, which has the delivery capabilities to fire dozens of nuclear warheads into Iran, would surely be an effective deterrence.

Some commentators may argue that deterrence doesn't work on madmen, but I am not convinced that the Iranian leadership, specifically the people in charge of its war capabilities and planning, is a group of irrational madmen.

The main problem with Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon is:

1. It would negate Israel's nuclear dominance of the Middle East and become an effective deterrence against Israeli, American or any other nation's designs against Iran.

2. It would almost certainly prompt other Arab nations to seek nuclear weapons, further diminishing Israel's regional arms superiority and complicating the U.S.-Israeli geopolitical posture in the region.

On the whole, I am not convinced that a Bush War in Iran, that would leave the region neck deep in Shiite, is the correct answer to the current crises.

Links to related news material are available on my blog.

 
At 11:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I were the kind of person who believed in blogwhoring, this is where I would say that Everything You Know About Iran Is A Myth.

 
At 5:42 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I can only agree with former reporter! As Robert Bradley points out, Western involvement, could lead to opposite effects. I think some sort of guidance might be the way to go.

 
At 5:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typically any criticism of Israel is regarded as antisemitism by supporters of Israel, so clarifying the remarks won't mollify that crowd at all, who will equate a call for regime change as tantamount to genocide. That being said, it is good of you and others to correct this deliberate falsification, if only for the record.

 
At 11:10 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

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Take note from a well versed ehttp://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11204xpert-next to Cole

 
At 11:49 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

Hi Dr. Cole,

It is interesting how the media reports even on the office of Irans presidency. When Khatami was president and he said very peaceful and nice things, the media and white house were quick to tell us that Khatami as president has no power. True he seems nice but he doesnt control Iran, true power lies with khamenei. However as soon as ahmadinejhad became president, the media and white house suddenly characterized Ahmadinejad as a Hitleresque demagogue of Iran. It suddenly became his nuclear program, his words became Iranian policy etc...

It is this portrayal of the power that any president in Iran has that suddenly makes 180 degree turns depending on who is president that is most notable.

Remember when ahmadinejad won his election, they tried everything to turn him into some monster. First they told us that he was one of the embassy hostage takers which turned out to be false when the CIA examined the photos of the guy that was supposedly a young ahmadinejad. Then Amir taheri claimed Iran passed a bill forcing all jews to wear yellow stars of david on their clothes which Irans jewish member of parliament quickly denied.

Perhaps you can write an article on how the characterization of the presidency and the power that comes with it in the media changes depending on who is president. I've been a fan of your books on Iran since I was a student at UCLA, and this seems like an article that only you can write well.

 
At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Bush administration is the friend of Saudi Arabia. Iran is challenging the authority of Saudi Arabia in OPEC and so must be controlled.

 
At 7:46 AM, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm a little confused over your comment that "...[I] find his Holocaust denial monstrous"

It has been my understanding that Ahmadinejad doesn't deny the Holocaust happened but does argue the numbers killed. Perhaps you could clarify this?

 
At 8:06 AM, Blogger David Sketchley said...

Dr. Cole.

Bravo sir! Just wanted to let you know how the BBC views the issue:

In reply to a letter of complaint from a British MP about this article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6137506.stm

"In 2005 he drew widespread and angry international criticism when he approvingly quoted comments by Ayatollah Khomeini that Israel's existence should be brought to an end."

From Helen Boaden, Head of BBC News:

"I have consulted the Middle East editor of the BBC News website and he tell me that specialist Farsi translators at BBC Monitoring assure us that the line used in our report is, in the context of the speech made last year, a fair and accurate reflection of what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad meant. There is no direct translation into English of the Farsi phrase in question. Therefore, there are a number of possible ways of rendering the phrase into English."

It would greatly help if someone of your calibre was to write to the BBC, publishing your exchange. Full details of exchanges between concerned citizens and the BBC can be found here:
http://www.medialens.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1518

 
At 6:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am glad to hear that Ahmadenejad isn't clearly calling for the liquidation of the Israeli people. I am trying to parse the sentance of what Ahmadenejad the IS saying when he's trying to be clear. Perhaps someone could help me here.

So it sounds like he's saying is he wants a collapse of the government of Israel (the "regime occupying Jerusalem" to disappear from history being the seat of Israeli government) and then a popular referendum by all the returned Palestinians -- Jews included if they are Palestinian Jews (gotta be a fairly small number) but non-Palestinian Israelis excluded. This seems to be the necessary inference of "...[t]here are Muslims and Christians and Jews among the Palestinian people. We say the people of Palestine" [including the Muslims and Christians and Jews among the Palestinian people] "should choose." So the Palestinias get to vote on their own fate and the fate of the Israelis. Or, as Cole puts it "all 'original' residents of any religion would get a vote."

Which is to say the millions of Israeli's, their government collapsed, but still not "Palestinian people" by Ahmadenejad's [or my own] definition - they don't get to vote. If the Palestinian people (with their Muslims, Christians, Jews) vote that Israeli's can stay, then they can stay. I suppose if they vote that the governmentless Jews of Israel (which will still exist, not being "wiped off the map," just governmentless) can stay or can have a government - that's up to the Palestinians. So then by implication Ahmadinejad seems to be calling for the Palestinians to decide either on occupation of Israel, democratic ethnic cleansing of Israel or at best its indirect rule by the Palestinian people (sort of the reverse of what we have now from the Israeli side).
OK, so it's a little better than genocide...

 
At 9:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. Cole,

Thank you for this rather illuminating piece on Ahmadenijad. If you have no objections, I plan on citing it in a post I am making which will bring together a series of sources showing that Ahmadenijad did not call for the destruction of Israel but a regime change it Israel.

I was wondering if you have good sources of information of the living conditions of Jews in Iran. I read all over places where Ahmadenijad is quated as saying that Jews live in Iran and there are members of the government who are Jewish, but I also hear reports from people who left Iran who say it is not very good there for Jews. I have one person, who I hope to interview, who has family in Iran. He claims that they are being denied exit visas. I would like to gain third party information to resolve the semmingly conflicted information.

 
At 8:40 PM, Blogger Karmel Melamed said...

Your piece on Ahmadinejad and his anti-Jewish beliefs are correct. If you'd like to obtain a more in depth facts about this feel free to read my published piece here:

http://iranianamericanjews.blogspot.com/2007/03/experts-on-iran-explore-effects-of.html

I have interviewed Persian language experts on Iran who have exposed to deep rooted hatred this Iranian leader has been given.

 
At 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is what he said, this story is lame...

http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=200247

 
At 11:21 AM, Blogger Porter Melmoth said...

Mr Cole,

I took the liberty of quoting you in my blog entry, 'Place Your Bets, Poets', concerning how the poeticism of Iranian culture is misinterpreted by the Bush Administration - on purpose.

An excerpt from my entry:
"The thing is, there is no such interest in poetic interpretation in the Bush Machine's tactics. Conquest is on their minds, and it will not go away. Therefore, it is absolutely essential that Bush keep such lies alive. The last thing he wants is conciliatory gestures from Iran. The longing for a new, fresher war he can 'win' is now moving toward high gear. Such a war with Iran could, in the Bush/neocon view, vindicate themselves 'out' of Iraq, as it were. Such grasping for a 'win' in Iran seems to be the final, climactic crap shoot of the Bush Administration. The great question is whether they will or can pull it off. To Bush, Cheney & Co., the stakes are high, but it's go for broke time, baby.

'A jug of oil, a loaf of bread, and thou - and it's on to Teheran!' - presumed battle cry, if Bush reads Omar (Khayyam)."

The entire entry can be found at:
http://yakkingmelmoth.blogspot.com/

Thank you. Your clear insight is much appreciated.

All best,

Porter

 

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